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Why don't people like Corbin ?

176 replies

ginorwine · 29/05/2017 16:40

The media are after him . So surely he is a threat or the tabloids wdnt bother . But we can't believe what the machines of the popular press tell us to ???
I'm curious why he appears unpopular ?
He appears principled to me . ...

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Beachcomber · 29/05/2017 19:58

Puzzledandpissedoff, there are people on this thread who seem to genuinely believe that Corbyn has refused to condem IRA bombings. So it would appear that media bias does influence the public.

And I'm not the one calling people who are influenced by the press "stupid and gullible".

We are all influenced by the press and spin doctors and all the rest of it - which is why they do it.

I disagree with your idea that people being influenced by the press makes them stupid and gullible - I think it makes us human. We all absorb messages that suit us and which fit in with our world view, be us leftie, Tory, Green, in the centre, whatever. I just think it is a damn shame that much of the press is cynically exploiting that.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/05/2017 20:04

I disagree with your idea that people being influenced by the press makes them stupid and gullible

Nice try at misrepresenting me, Beachcomber ... I imagine you're perfectly well aware that this is precisely what I was arguing against

VeraGrant · 29/05/2017 20:09

He has Diane Abbott as his Shadow Home Secretary. Surely that alone makes him terrifying beyond all imagination! I know he was forcedto scrape together a cabinet out of whoever was left after all the resignations but Diane Abbott??

Everyone was talking about the afro comment in the Andrew Marr yesterday, but I couldn't get past her saying she understood the workings of the Home Office because she had worked there as a graduate trainee!! Just risible.

I agree with whoever compared JC to Trump. Not that they hold similar views (!) but a lot of those who would consider voting for him are simply because they're intoxicated by the idea of radical change, without thinking through the potentially devastating consequences. It's a cult of personality above all else

Beachcomber · 29/05/2017 20:15

Ah ok Puzzledandpissedoff - so the "stupid and gullible" comment was a total strawman on your part then.

Saying as you have just explained above that you are arguing against this point - a point that nobody has made.

ForalltheSaints · 29/05/2017 20:31

He is not a leader, has not taken the opportunities to oppose a hard Brexit such as voting against the Article 50 bill, and has not acted against those in the Labour Party whose support for the Palestinian cause is accompanied by anti-Semitic remarks.

Scandelicious · 29/05/2017 21:10

-He called Hamas and Hezbollah his friends.
-He called Hamas a peaceful party in search of political justice
-For years, he attended events and gave money to Deir Yassin Remembered - an organization so anti Semitic that the Palestine solidarity committee cuts ties with it (but Corbyn carried on)

  • He is a supporter of Raed Salah who has been banned from the U.K. as he is so anti Semitic (blood libels and things like that)
-He laid a wreath at the grave of one of the Munich olympics terrorists (called him a victim of Mossad)
  • did not expel Ken Livingstone, an old friend
  • publicly congratulated George Galloway, another old friend, for winning the seat in Bradford.

It's a pretty damning list I'd say

hottotrotsky · 29/05/2017 21:39

I'd be puzzledandpissedoff too if I were you.

What a load of unsubstantiated, slanderous shite you fling around knowing some will stick.

Fwiw I wish he was a communist. He's not. Not even a socialist I'd hazard.

Scandelicious · 29/05/2017 21:44

Hamas is a peaceful organization, in search of political justice...

Forget about Israel, look at what they do to their fellow Palestinians! Political justice, my arse. He's an idiot.

Livelovebehappy · 29/05/2017 22:12

He just comes across as someone who is 'winging it'. He seems so out of his depth and clueless. He's also not being honest; about his past associations with the IRA, about how he's going to lead us through Brexit, about costings for his very ambitious manifesto. And of course who can trust a man who places such trust in the hapless Ill informed Diane Abbot.

Jupitar · 29/05/2017 22:16

I don't like him...

I love him Grin

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/05/2017 22:23

Thanks for that useful link, Scandelicious ... this is exactly what I meant when I posted elsewhere about JC's problems with too many of his appalling views being on record

A pity, really - it would have been so easy to claim he was being "slandered", if only folk didn't keep reminding us of what he's actually said and done Wink

waitforitfdear · 29/05/2017 22:24

Sorry anyone who could contemplate allowing Abbott anywhere near a top government job is totally unable to lead the country.

She's a joke

christmaswreaths · 29/05/2017 22:53

I was furious he did not oppose Brexit and forced labour MPS to go against their constituencies (some of which were majority remainers).

I think he has zero credibility abroad, I read lots of foreign press who think he is a joke by en large. Not what the UK need now.

He is anti-historical in his views and does not listen or get the public mood.

He sounds irritating, moody and does not possess leadership qualities.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 29/05/2017 23:24

Jupitar Do you have any particular reason for that?

deeedeee · 29/05/2017 23:27

he does not sound moody and irritating and definitely has leadership qualities.

This is all distinctly Orwellian. You'll all be saying war is peace soon.

Oh actually you already are!

Jupitar · 29/05/2017 23:31

Yep, he sticks to his principles, answers the questions he's asked without going off on a tangent and he's not one of those shiny slick politicians who are only in it for the amount of money they can make, 1st as an MP claiming extortionate expenses and then on the after dinner speaking circuit

ExplodedCloud · 30/05/2017 00:50

christmaswreaths are you going to vote Conservative? Or Lib Dem? Or one of the other parties?

Maxandrubyrubyandmax · 30/05/2017 06:51

He refuses to condemn a terrorist group who carried out so many atrocities. In my mind that makes him perfectly ok with bombing kids shopping for Mother's Day presents. Many of corbyns supporters prob weren't even born when had to remove all the bins worried about nail bombs being placed in them. He thinks dianne Abbott would be great in government. He is completely ideologically driven and cannot amend his views for the good of the economy, national safety or common sense. He can't add up! He wants to give the unions more power (again mention the 3day week to most of corbyns supporters and they look at you blankly). Not seeing him on many media outlets until recently and always his weirdo mate. He's far too softly spoken to lead. Gut instinct about him he gives me the creeps. He's not led an effective opposition and kept the Tories in check. His own MPs hate him. He gets through wives at a rate of knots. Seems he left his last one because he didn't want his kids to go to grammar so basically putting his own views over the happiness of his kids (assuming his kids were happier with their parents not divorcing) which makes him a complete cock. Theres something about him that makes me really really uneasy

makeourfuture · 30/05/2017 07:01

they're intoxicated by the idea of radical change

Nothing at all radical about Labour policies

Tory policies on the other hand, social cleansing, banker-oligarchy, neo-fuedalism.......

ExplodedCloud · 30/05/2017 07:03

Maxandrubyrubyandmax your post is riddled with inaccuracies and nonsense.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 30/05/2017 07:06

But he can head an election campaign which has seen his party come from nowhere to within 5 points of the Tories. Yeah. He's rubbish at organising.

Apart from the fact it has come out that the polls that have him at 6% behind are relying on an 82% turnout in the 18-24 year olds. That is never going to happen however much people want it to.

Jupitar · 30/05/2017 07:09

mention the 3day week to most of corbyns supporters and they look at you blankly

Not surprising really as the 3 day week was instigated by a conservative government in 1974, but hey let's blame Corbyn for that too Grin

Squishedstrawberry4 · 30/05/2017 07:18

Max. Its perfectly possible to decide that your kids will not to attend grammar and still have their happiness as priority. His number of wives and how gently he speaks is utterly irrelevant. I agree with JC that the war on terror isn't working.

Squishedstrawberry4 · 30/05/2017 07:20

Copied from the independent. JC on terrorism. He understands we need to deal with things differently.

In what is likely to be seen as a reference to Britain’s military involvement in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as air strikes against Isis – all of which he opposed – Mr Corbyn said Labour would “change what we do abroad” if it won power.

“Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries, such as Libya, and terrorism here at home,” said the Labour leader.

“That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and implacably held to account for their actions.

Salman Abedi killed 22 people in an attack at Manchester Arena
Salman Abedi killed 22 people in an attack at Manchester Arena
“But an informed understanding of the causes of terrorism is an essential part of an effective response that will protect the security of our people, that fights rather than fuels terrorism.

“We must be brave enough to admit the ‘war on terror’ is simply not working. We need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries that nurture terrorists and generate terrorism.”

Mr Corbyn stressed the “responsibility of government is to minimise” the chance of attacks by giving police the resources they need and to ensure “foreign policy reduces rather than increases the threat to this country”.

Radishal · 30/05/2017 07:53

Because he's a "useful idiot" for extremists. Because he is trying to claim he did Mo Mowlem's work in the peace process. Because he indulges antisemitism. Because he loves being an activist not a leader. Because his team is a bunch of loud mouthed political lightweights.
I miss effective Labour.