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Why don't people like Corbin ?

176 replies

ginorwine · 29/05/2017 16:40

The media are after him . So surely he is a threat or the tabloids wdnt bother . But we can't believe what the machines of the popular press tell us to ???
I'm curious why he appears unpopular ?
He appears principled to me . ...

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JimmyGrimble · 29/05/2017 17:26

Because his manifesto is poorly thought out. No idea how it will be funded. He has appealed to the masses to get big groups onboard - parents, elderly, students, everyday workers etc
Errr .... he has clearly said where the money will come from. The Labour manifesto is more clearly costed than the Conservative one.
It's an election ..... the job of a political party during an election is to appeal to as much of the electorate as it can.

ComingUpTrumps · 29/05/2017 17:26

StillDriving shouldn't they be defecting to the Lib Dems, out of any party?

Everytimeref · 29/05/2017 17:26

Watch him on Paxman, who actually allowed him to speak and you will realise he is extremely intelligent, unlike May who can only follow a script.

deeedeee · 29/05/2017 17:26

sorry, accidentally posted twice while trying to copy and paste. speech below

"Our whole nation has been united in shock and grief this week as a night out at a concert ended in horrific terror and the brutal slaughter of innocent people enjoying themselves.

When I stood on Albert Square at the vigil in Manchester, there was a mood of unwavering defiance.

The very act of thousands of people coming together sent a powerful message of solidarity and love. It was a profound human impulse to stand together, caring and strong. It was inspiring.

In the past few days, we have all perhaps thought a bit more about our country, our communities and our people.

The people we have lost to atrocious violence or who have suffered grievous injury, so many of them heart-breakingly young.

The people who we ask to protect us and care for us in the emergency services, who yet again did our country proud: the police; firefighters and paramedics; the nurses and doctors; people who never let us down and deserve all the support we can give them.

And the people who did their best to help on that dreadful Monday night – the homeless man who rushed towards the carnage to comfort the dying, the taxi drivers who took the stranded home for free, the local people who offered comfort, and even their homes, to the teenagers who couldn’t find their parents.

They are the people of Manchester. But we know that attacks, such as the one at the Manchester Arena, could have happened anywhere, and that the people in any city, town or village in Britain would have responded in the same way.

It is these people who are the strength and the heart of our society. They are the country we love and the country we seek to serve.

That is the solidarity that defines our United Kingdom. That is the country I meet on the streets every day; the human warmth, the basic decency and kindness.

It is our compassion that defines the Britain I love. And it is compassion that the bereaved families need most of all at this time. To them I say: the whole country reaches out its arms to you and will be here for you not just this week, but in the weeks and years to come.

Terrorists and their atrocious acts of cruelty and depravity will never divide us and will never prevail.

They didn’t in Westminster two months ago. They didn’t when Jo Cox was murdered a year ago. They didn’t in London on 7/7. The awe-inspiring response of the people of Manchester, and their inspirational acts of heroism and kindness, are a living demonstration that they will fail again.

But these vicious and contemptible acts do cause profound pain and suffering, and, among a tiny minority, they are used as an opportunity to try to turn communities against each other.

So let us all be clear, the man who unleashed carnage on Manchester, targeting the young and many young girls in particular, is no more representative of Muslims, than the murderer of Jo Cox spoke for anyone else.

Young people and especially young women must and will be free to enjoy themselves in our society.

I have spent my political life working for peace and human rights, and to bring an end to conflict and devastating wars. That will almost always mean talking to people you profoundly disagree with. That’s what conflict resolution is all about.

But do not doubt my determination to take whatever action is necessary to keep our country safe and to protect our people on our streets, in our towns and cities, at our borders.

There is no question about the seriousness of what we face. Over recent years, the threat of terrorism has continued to grow.

You deserve to know what a Labour Government will do to keep you and your family safe.

Our approach will involve change at home and change abroad.

At home, we will reverse the cuts to our emergency services and police. Once again in Manchester, they have proved to be the best of us.

Austerity has to stop at the A&E ward and at the police station door. We cannot be protected and cared for on the cheap.

There will be more police on the streets under a Labour Government. And if the security services need more resources to keep track of those who wish to murder and maim, then they should get them.

We will also change what we do abroad. Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries, such as Libya, and terrorism here at home.

That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and implacably held to account for their actions.

But an informed understanding of the causes of terrorism is an essential part of an effective response that will protect the security of our people, that fights rather than fuels terrorism.

Protecting this country requires us to be both strong against terrorism and strong against the causes of terrorism. The blame is with the terrorists, but if we are to protect our people we must be honest about what threatens our security.

Those causes certainly cannot be reduced to foreign policy decisions alone. Over the past fifteen years or so, a sub-culture of often suicidal violence has developed amongst a tiny minority of, mainly young, men, falsely drawing authority from Islamic beliefs and often nurtured in a prison system in urgent need of resources and reform.

And no rationale based on the actions of any government can remotely excuse, or even adequately explain, outrages like this week’s massacre.

But we must be brave enough to admit the war on terror is simply not working. We need a smarter way to reduce the threat from countries that nurture terrorists and generate terrorism.

That’s why I set out Labour’s approach to foreign policy earlier this month. It is focused on strengthening our national security in an increasingly dangerous world.

We must support our Armed Services, Foreign Office and International Development professionals, engaging with the world in a way that reduces conflict and builds peace and security.

Seeing the army on our own streets today is a stark reminder that the current approach has failed.

So, I would like to take a moment to speak to our soldiers on the streets of Britain - You are doing your duty as you have done so many times before.

I want to assure you that, under my leadership, you will only be deployed abroad when there is a clear need and only when there is a plan and you have the resources to do your job to secure an outcome that delivers lasting peace.

That is my commitment to our armed services.

This is my commitment to our country. I want the solidarity, humanity and compassion that we have seen on the streets of Manchester this week to be the values that guide our government. There can be no love of country if there is neglect or disregard for its people.

No government can prevent every terrorist attack. If an individual is determined enough and callous enough, sometimes they will get through.

But the responsibility of government is to minimise that chance, to ensure the police have the resources they need, that our foreign policy reduces rather than increases the threat to this country, and that at home we never surrender the freedoms we have won, and that terrorists are so determined to take away.

Too often government has got it wrong on all three counts and insecurity is growing as a result. Whoever you decide should lead the next government must do better.

Today, we must stand united. United in our communities, united in our values and united in our determination to not let triumph those who would seek to divide us.

So for the rest of this election campaign, we must be out there demonstrating what they would take away: our freedom; our democracy; our support for one another.

Democracy will prevail. We must defend our democratic process, win our arguments by discussion and debate, and stand united against those who would seek to take our rights away, or who would divide us.

Last week, I said that the Labour Party was about bringing our country together.

Today I do not want to make a narrow party political point. Because all of us now need to stand together.

Stand together in memory of those who have lost their lives.

Stand together in solidarity with the city of Manchester.

And - stand together for democracy.

Because when we talk about British values, including tolerance and mutual support, democracy is at the very heart of them.

And our General Election campaigns are the centrepieces of our democracy – the moment all our people get to exercise their sovereign authority over their representatives.

Rallies, debates, campaigning in the marketplaces, knocking on doors, listening to people on the streets, at their workplaces and in their homes – all the arts of peaceful persuasion and discussion - are the stuff of our campaigns.

They all remind us that our government is not chosen at an autocrats’ whim or by religious decree and never cowed by a terrorist’s bomb.

Indeed, carrying on as normal is an act of defiance – democratic defiance – of those who do reject our commitment to democratic freedoms.

But we cannot carry on as though nothing happened in Manchester this week.

So, let the quality of our debate, over the next fortnight, be worthy of the country we are proud to defend. Let’s have our arguments without impugning anyone’s patriotism and without diluting the unity with which we stand against terror.

Together, we will be stronger. Together we can build a Britain worthy of those who died and those who have inspired us all in Manchester this week. "

JimmyGrimble · 29/05/2017 17:29

You're not wrong - up here in the north they've gone from Labour, to UKIP and now will be voting Tory. The working class will not vote for a champagne socialist terrorist sympathiser!
Turkey's voting for Christmas. The tories never have, and never will give a shit about the interests of the working class. They just expect them to come running to the dog whistle.

harderandharder2breathe · 29/05/2017 17:31

I don't like or dislike him

I will vote Labour but I have doubts about his ability to get anything done while most of his own MPs can't stand him or agree with him

Sidge · 29/05/2017 17:32

Jimmy I think his party members only reelected him twice because there were no alternatives! Don't you remember the disastrous leadership challenge from last year?

And he had a huge amount of votes (170?) of no confidence from his own parliamentary party, and only 40 in supporting back in 2016.

I really think he's only the Labour leader by default.

littlejeopardy · 29/05/2017 17:32

I like him. I agree with a lot of what he says and plus the Tories keep introducing awful policies in education despite the teachers united voice that they won't work and are damaging teachers and children with ridiculous pressure, like changing the grading criteria and not telling schools how it will be graded until the last minute!

I work in education and have never seen so many people crumble as they have in the last few years.

JC might not be able to deliver on all his policies but at least he is saying he wants to go in the right direction. TM is promising a direction I don't want to go to.

AliTheMinx · 29/05/2017 17:40

He strikes me as weak and many of his personal views seem to be at odds with his party's. We need strong leadership in opposition - I think David Milliband would have been an excellent leader. Someone with a bit of uumph and get up and go. Someone with charisma. Someone you could really envisage taking on the government. For me, this someone just isn't JC.

hottotrotsky · 29/05/2017 17:41

One die hard lefty here who may be tempted to vote Labour again for the first time in aeons thanx to JC bringing them back home again after that treacherous Blair.

satonmars · 29/05/2017 17:45

Jimmy I agree it has been said where the money will come from but that doesn't mean its been well thought out. I have no idea how it will be funded, just because he is saying it will be funded from X, Y and Z doesn't mean it can be or it is well thought out. It is an election to appeal - things like free school meals appealed last time to parents. The whole school free meals will do this time. Has Corbyn actually said how he will fund this for small schools who currently pay out of their budget that ppl don't even know about...nope. He has just said he will fund KS2 meals nothing about supporting those who are struggling to implement the things already in place. How about doing that before adding to their costs.

LovelyDay999 · 29/05/2017 17:48

Because he had a privileged upbringing, went to private school then grammar (and did very poorly) but wants to abolish what he had and wasted! No time for him.

Squishedstrawberry4 · 29/05/2017 17:58

I'm really impressed with his cabinet. Very diverse people and ethical.

londonrach · 29/05/2017 18:02

He has no honour. He has said if he loses the election he will not go, his cabinet resigned, he did not go and dare i say it...diana. They had an affair and she has a major hold on him. He is linked to ira too. Him in charge of the uk....scary!!!

Charmageddon · 29/05/2017 18:03

For lots of reasons - many of which have been posted already on this thread:

  • Weak leader
  • terrorist sympathiser
  • has not progressed past teenaged student-level politics, critical thinking or world view
  • communist leanings
  • shamelessly populist manifesto which is poorly thought out & shoddily costed
  • will bankrupt the country with no shame
  • weak & directionless on Brexit
  • no clear plan or reasoning on how best to tackle terrorism
  • apologist for the anti-semitism that is rife in his party & amongst his chums
  • dogmatic & lacks mental agility
  • lacks original thought
  • is completely at odds with what his party wants (Trident etc)
  • due to his incompetence and intransigence he cannot find anyone of substance to work alongside him in the key positions
bertsdinner · 29/05/2017 18:12

I neither like nor dislike him, I just dont agree with him and I dont want to vote for him.
I dont think he's principled, he's dogmatic.
I dislike the people he surrounds himself with.

littlehandcuffs · 29/05/2017 18:15

It doesn't matter if I "like" or "dislike" him, or Diane Abbot etc..

I DON'T believe they are capable of running the country.

You can't vote for someone because they are a "nice guy" or my dad would be ruling the world : )

mummymeister · 29/05/2017 18:15

Yes Deeedeee - I have certainly described him as a total cock on many occasions.

how about checking youtube for his pro violence speeches.

this leopard hasn't changed his spots and this has nothing to do with being a sun reader or an idiot. I base my opinions on my own personal experience. you can either choose to believe me or not.

Beachcomber · 29/05/2017 18:20

Seems to me, from reading what people say on this thread and others, that a major reason people don't like him is because they are absorbing what our right-wing press say about him.

When you listen to him actually speak he is obviously very clever, keeps on the point and remains patient and principled when journalists goad him.

The "links to the IRA" thing is not true. Neither is it true that he supports armed struggle, indeed he has said time and time again that he does not. But he won't drop his principles which were that in order to engage in a successful peace process there could be no violence from either side and there had to be sincere dialogue and desire to listen to both sides. That doesn't make him an IRA sympathizer or a supporter of terrorism - it makes him someone who understands that politics and division of countries and populations on heartfelt issues with long and complex histories, and with actions from both sides that could be condemned, are situations which are not straightforward. I'm surprised that so many people fail to see that and just jump on the pathetic Tory "IRA sympathizer" sound bite.

Peanutbutterfingers · 29/05/2017 18:25

I have spent a LOT of time on doorsteps, 1 person has told me they are voting Labour because of Corbyn, countless have told me they will not vote Labour while Corbyn is in charge, literally hundreds.

As for the campaign, I think you will find that has been DESPITE Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell, not because of it! Most Local candidates are putting as much distance between themselves and the leadership as possible!

BastardBloodAndSand · 29/05/2017 18:28

Because he wants to talk to people who commit acts of terrorism instead of bombing them.......

I agree with him, from.where I'm.standing randomly bombing areas hasn't done a thing other than wipe out families and leave children orphaned (( which have every right to grow up bitter as hell and wanting revenge ))

Peanutbutterfingers · 29/05/2017 18:28

And every MP I know says he is not principled, will talk to you and tell you o e thing then change his mind, that is why they can't work with him!

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 29/05/2017 18:29

Paxman allowed him to speak

Isn't the Paxman interviews live tonight at 8pm or have I missed something

Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/05/2017 18:43

Appalling judgement, leading to links or sympathy (often both) with:

Communism
Terrorism
Antisemitism
Incompetent shadow cabinet members
Teenage protester thought patterns

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 29/05/2017 18:45

Beachcomber did you not watch the interview with Andrew Neil the other day

He didn't condem one IRA bombing not one a member of parliaments not condemning such atrocities (he was certainly vocal at other times) yet went to many many meetings, then bought IRA members to parliament and so on

Do you not get that by his actions of never condemning the IRA attacks the meetings for whatever reason (certainly wasn't peace talks) disregards those that died, those that work at keeping us safe

At least admit thay you are prepared to overlook this because his links can't be denied they are out there he just keeps putting the spin of I was working towards peace there are no reports no one has come forward to back up his claim

And let's not forget McDonnells stance

People celebrate his different way of doing politics but fall for the working towards peace crap coming from his pr team