"UK home to 23,000 Jihadis"

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This is the title from a Times article today. Bloody hell. This is a shockingly high number. I find this really scary. There really needs to be some major plan rather than just more waffle from this useless Government. I just don't see how this genie can be put back in the bottle and I think things will only get worse.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/huge-scale-of-terror-threat-revealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq

Everyone is entitled to their views shouting them down through racist and big got labels is bullying which is why ukip and brexit did so well (and probably trump in the USA.) many people will not admit to voting for those due to such emotive words , they feel powerless, but in the ballot box they have the power. As it is the main stream political parties seem to have woken up and taken the view of the unseen , unheard into account. I have explained this view politely and calmly with no emotive allegations which is what is needed on both sides

have you ever lived in an area with a large Muslim communiy

Yes. I have worked as a teacher in an area with a large Muslim community. I have had no such issues at all.

I've worked in other areas where I have felt less safe. And they aren't areas with Muslim communities.

@twelly but if someone is saying something racist or bigoted why is it suddenly worse to point it out? That's twisted!

Right. And thank god for those who do report, every single day. They save lives.

But yet it's still spreading. So there is more to be done. And it takes everyone to do that. The BNP thugs yelling, "paki!" are culpable; the mosque that teaches only one way of life is acceptable is culpable; the university that allows hate preachers to lecture is culpable; disgusting events like the racial attack in Taunton yesterday are culpable. I am saying that we ALL need to do more.

This is bigger than just one individual. It's bigger than 23,000 individuals. We need to ask why more and more second generation immigrants feel so dislocated that they want to go and live under sharia law and fight for its domination and the extinguishment of the west. A hard question with many complex answers, but we all need to face up to them.

that's good for you, orlantina. Sadly my cousins weren't quite so lucky when they got beaten up for being slags.

They were 14 and 15 and going to see their grandmother

Ok debate closed down again, rather proves my point!

Ok debate closed down again, rather proves my point!

I live in an area with a large Muslim population. No issues and far less harassment than from creepy old white guys!!

I grew up in Preston, went to university in Leicester and now live in Manchester.

I have lived in areas with large Muslim populations all my life and have never experienced prejudice from them.

Actually, I did have a problem once..

I live in London. I've had the occasional bit of unpleasant prejudice. For example, when I moved to university, my new flatmate's parents complained that she wasn't in an all-Asian flat and asked for her to be moved because they didn't want her sharing with white girls . And what happened to my cousins was v nasty. It's absolutely NOT the norm, thank goodness, but to a certain type of traditionalist, the western way of life is not ok. Remember the foiled plot to blow up tiger tiger - those wouldbe bombers were heard talking about the "slags" inside. Where does that hatred come from? How can we combat it with tolerance? Pretending it doesn't exist won't do it, and bullying and violence most certainly won't do it.

Sadly my cousins weren't quite so lucky when they got beaten up for being slags

So what does that prove? Are women safe in non Muslim parts of the UK?

Oh - and my pupils face regular taunts and worse from people - and it's getting worse. Does that matter?

No. People persecuting Muslims are recruiting for extremists. Our foreign policy doesn't help. Being PC isn't a bad thing. All being politically correct requires is not being an asshole. Nowhere does it say that we shouldn't deal with issues such as Rotherham. That was cowardice.

Orlantina - you've proven my point. You haven't experienced it yourself. If you had been beaten up for being a "white slag", you might be more willing to accept that we do have a problem with integration in some communities. Denying it isn't going to help fix it.

The point isn't about whether women are safe everywhere, even though it's beyond fucking shit that they aren't. The point is, in some communities, westerners are the "others". Denying this exists is part of the problem.

But it's just one part of the problem. Racism and prejudice are another! We need to tackle all of it, IMO.

I wonder what all those people though a long time ago before Christianity was brought to the UK by foreigners.....

That's a bit of a silly thing to say. If you want to go back that far in time we could discuss the same topic in relation to Islam which expanded across the middle east forcing the conversion and ethnic displacement of peoples of pre-Islamic faiths. Most countries that are now Islamic were historically Zoroastrian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Pagan. Just look at what ISIS and the Taliban have done to pre-Islamic cultural remnants in places like Syria and Afghanistan (Palmyra, Bamiyan Buddhas). The Jewish community of Yemen has been totally ethnically cleansed, even though it pre-dated Islam by hundreds of years. The same with the Zorastrians in Iran (Persia) and now it looks like the same fate has been bestowed upon the Yazidis of Iraq/Syria and the Coptic Christians of Egypt who suffer continual persecution as a minority in their ancient homeland (and they were there long before Islam).

cross that link you posted was a very powerful speech.

"Surprise, surprise you happen to have the same sorts of speakers, with the same sorts of views that would sympathise with the same sorts of things that al Qaeda want to implement in their theocratic Caliphate.

"So what you oppose ISIS, so what? That's like saying "I oppose Stalin but I support the Nazis" or else "I oppose Hitler but I support Stalin gulags"."

Maajid went on: "You think we're stupid, you think the nation isn't going to realise? Well you know, my job is to make sure everybody understands what's going on, because you're after people like me.

"You hosted a speaker in your mosque who says secular liberal Muslims are the most, are the biggest danger in the community, so of course I'm going to speak out against you.

"And of course you know when I talk about how deep the rot has spread."

He finished off his epic polemic by saying: "Until we can separate, until we can separate these extremists from our community, and isolate them, don't blame the rest of society for wondering whether every Muslim is an extremist, when our mosques are hosting the extremists themselves."

Thank you for that well thought out and considered contribution HeyHo.

I will continue to stand up for fairness, democracy and human rights.
I will let neither terrorists or people like you drag this society towards fasiscm.

And "shut down"? Stop the self pity and argue your point if you have one.

you've proven my point. You haven't experienced it yourself. If you had been beaten up for being a "white slag", you might be more willing to accept that we do have a problem with integration in some communities

No - just because something has happened does not mean you can then generalise to a whole, does it?

There are problems in ALL communities.

But just because something happens does not mean that can be used to label a whole group, does it?

The point is, in some communities, westerners are the "others". Denying this exists is part of the problem

Is someone who is born in the UK a Westerner?