to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

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I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

Someone reported her to the Police. Disgraceful, as if the Police haven't got enough to deal with today. So does that mean we can all go and do a bit of shoplifting today?

Not the same thing at all. I'd hardly par theft on the same level as being offended by a professional rentagob.

During the decades between the 1870s and the start of WW1, the then Russian Empire tried a number of solutions to deal with its 'Jewish problem' - e.g. forcing Jewish boys into 25-year conscriptions into the Imperial army (from which they were unlikely to return), deportations to Siberia on trumped-up charges, pogroms (instigated violent riots against Jewish people often resulting in mass deaths) and so on. Hitler didn't invent the idea of a 'Jewish problem', but it was the Nazis who came up with the 'Final Solution' which was supposed to end it for all time by exterminating the Jews. Any calls for a 'final solution' therefore are a reference to genocide and shouldn't ever be made.

I'm not Katie Hopkins biggest fan in the slightest but it's quite telling that some on the internet are more offended at what she said than they are at the fact some monster put a bomb amongst children.

Has anyone said they were more offended by her than the murder of 22 people? I must have missed that. I think they're just pretty offended by a race fear monger using her position and many followers to potentially cause further harm to more people based on their perceived religious beliefs.

Well, it may be an attempt to feel on top of the situation, by focusing on an issue we might be able to do something about, rather than one we can't, as the suicide bomber is of course dead.

Unless KH is based in Manchester I think there are enough police to deal with her. And I fucking hope to god that every police force around the country is not completely refusing to deal with all other crimes.

Doesn't mean they still wont be working to check he wasn't part of a wider network. You know, given people involved in the Westminster attack were arrested hundreds of miles away in Birmingham.

"YNBU. But I think the Police have more important matters to deal with today than arresting someone for possible hate speech."

Really? What other crimes do you think the police should let pass because of Manchester?

Has she actually committed a crime though?

(Not being goady! I'm seriously asking!)

Doesn't mean they still wont be working to check he wasn't part of a wider network.

And that requires every single police officer in the UK? awesome! excuse me while I go loot because the police are too busy to deal with other crimes today.

Well the fact they've reported her to the police already does suggest they're significantly offended.

Shes not a new 'personality' any more than Tommy Robinson is. We know how she gets a reaction. Reporting her to the police just keeps her at the top of twitters trending list instead of the children that still need to be found.

Away

I cried when I read the news reports about this new attack. But when I heard what Hopkins said I was honestly just filled with dread.

I don't think anybody should actually harm Hopkins. And, me originally not being from the UK, I imagine I have different opinion on hate speech, whether it should be illegal etc.

But I think it's undeniable that Hopkins is carelessly invoking a lot of things. It is very upsetting.

Really? What other crimes do you think the police should let pass because of Manchester

Like focusing on finding the rest of the missing children for example.

I doubt people are more offended by KH than a terrorist!

The fact is the she has a legitimate platform to spout her views and as members of the community that she hails from we feel aggrieved by this and want to speak out.

Plenty of Muslims speak out against terrorists even though they don't have a legitimate role as broadcasters or journalists within Muslim communities.

AwaywiththePixies27 your user name is very fitting for the things you're saying.

That's for the police to decide Terf

Owen Jones-also, I am aware, a controversial figure- is calling on Twitter for no one to appear on LBC until Hopkins is sacked. He's getting some support from other commentators.

I can't stand kh and i wish she had the sense to just shut up for once. The last thing that people who have been affected by the bombing need is to have to read her hateful shit. I get the final solution reference, abhorrent as it is, its the rest of the tweet i cant fathom, what does philip schofield have to do with it? Sorry if i am being thick.

If you don't like her ignore her.

It annoys her type of personality more than anything else.

It sounds like she worded it badly and corrected it straight away. I agree that the police have better things to deal with today than this.

Much as I think it was a slip, I do loathe her. But precisely because every time something like this happens she gives the liberals exactly the ammunition they want. Their aim every time this happens is to distract people from the dead bodies and convince the public that the real danger is to Muslims. Despite there never being any significant backlash. It's absolute bullshit, all this #illridewithyou bullshit about a none existent threat when there is actually a very real threat which has just killed people's children. Not an apocryphal story about someone taking off their head scarf coz they thought someone looked at them a bit funny.

Katie Hopkins gives all the ammunition they need to people who want us to ignore the inconvenient bodies in Manchester which don't fit in with their narrative. They will be literally trawling twitter looking for something, anything to complain about to draw attention away from the fact their favourite pet religion is being implicated in something not very nice again.

I wish she'd shut up and just let them hoist themselves with their own petard with their gibbering about who the 'real' victims are instead. The bits where they insist that the UK is a horribly dangerous place with indiscriminate mass murder of women in head scarves rather than little girls hopping around to a Disney star. And yes, I am looking at the OP and half the posters on this thread.

"Missing children" are probably people who are at hospitals etc but are unnaccounted for.

The word missing is a bit misleading.

Has she actually committed a crime though?

Probably. If she's called for the extermination of a group then you could argue it's incitement to violence.

She has a right to free speech, even if extremely offensive, but once she starts making threats it's a criminal matter. There's a good briefing on the law from Liberty here

Has she actually committed a crime though?

The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 inserted Section 4A into the Public Order Act 1986. That part prohibits anyone from causing alarm or distress. Section 4A states:

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he— (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.

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The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 amended the Public Order Act 1986 by adding Part 3A. That Part says, "A person who uses threatening words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, is guilty of an offence if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred." The Part protects freedom of expression by stating in Section 29J:

Using the term "final solution" really only has one intention in this case, and it's to stir up religious hatred and violence.