to think it's finally time England deals with its Katy Hopkins problem?

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I know she feeds off publicity and the best thing really would be to ignore her until she shrivels and dies of fame starvation so I apologise for the thread but this is really too much now isn't it?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-katie-hopkins-final-solution-muslims-arena-terror-attack-phillip-schofield-a7750656.html

When was the last time there was a murderous terrorist attack against Muslims in the UK by white British men

Have you heard of the London bombings in the 1990s?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland

David Copeland. Nail bomber. Targeted BME and gay community.

Plinky When was the last time there was a murderous terrorist attack against Muslims in the UK by white British men

I don't know, but I presume you can google just as well as I can. Why is this about white people attacking muslims in particular? You asserted only muslims carry out terrorism on a regular basis. I refuted this since white people carry out terrorism on just such a regular basis too. There is terrorism in pretty much every country/culture.

Orlantina there are about 400 British Daesh fighters who have returned from Syria and about 600 who have been prevented from going there so there's a thousand straight away.

KH is intelligent so I assume she knows this, but just doesn't care?

I think there are many people out there who want to cause chaos and believe that if they're the ones denouncing they'll have considerable influence and will be able to do whatever they want. They want power without responsibility.

Orlantina so 17 years ago. When was the last Islamist terrorist attack again and the one before that and the one before that.

I'd prefer to live in a society where punishment comes from the law and not from who controls a secret list
Really, how do you think all the past terrorist plots were foiled. If it werent for these "secret lists" there would have been far far more. Do you not think there should be any surveillance on terrorist suspects?

Orlantina there are about 400 British Daesh fighters who have returned from Syria and about 600 who have been prevented from going there so there's a thousand straight away

And what do you think the best way to deal with them is?

Put them in a camp without trial?
Keep tabs on them?
Work with them, their friends and the community to deradicalise them?

What do you think happens at the moment?

Now you've confused yourself. Surveillance and foiling plots is good. Interning people without trial is bad. Decide what you;re for and against, will you?

Do you not think there should be any surveillance on terrorist suspects

That happens.

When was the last Islamist terrorist attack again and the one before that and the one before that

Why do you think there's been a rise in such attacks? Islam has been around for ages in the UK. Why such a rise?

Do you not think there should be any surveillance on terrorist suspects?

Of course, but I said punishment comes from the law. You seem to be confused.

Really, how do you think all the past terrorist plots were foiled

From the community working WITH MI5. Internment without jail is likely to alienate the community.

At the moment I think they are just roaming freely among us. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/only-14-400-british-isis-9010088. What would you suggest doing with people who travelled to a Muslim country to murder Muslim's in the name of Islam.

What would you suggest doing with people who travelled to a Muslim country to murder Muslim's in the name of Islam

You do know that we have a law for that

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648480/Brits-returning-fighting-Syria-face-life-jail-new-criminal-offence-committing-terrorism-abroad.html

I've created a new thread here since we're running out of space here!

Thanks

It's an important discussion.

Surveillance and foiling plots is good. Interning people without trial is bad And that in a nutshell is what we should be saying. Not feeding Katie Hopkins' ego and bank balance.

The rise is partly due to successive government's stupid and criminal foreign policies. Partly down to the toxic spread of Saudi sponsored Wahhabism through mosques and social media. Partly due to an increase in the Muslim community in general over the period, if you get more people from any community then you will get increase in the number of criminal's from that group even if the % of that community of that are criminals hasn't increased.

Its basically a perfect storm.

Actually you're wrong there, BertrandRussell, I had to work through my own whataboutery as an Irish nationalist (which I still am) to get to a full understanding of the Just Plain Wrong.

Killing kids at a pop concert is just plain wrong.

The people who did it are bad.

Within those two statements lies a world of history, politics and argument, but none of it challenges those truths.

Thank you Plinky I look forward to sharing my ignorant and racist views with you there.

I've called you neither of those thing, less.

Im leaving this thread, im amazed at the lack of outrage from some posters. They can think of loads of resons why we shouldnt do this that or the other but cant suggest one single thing we should do in response.
Unbelievable the lack of empathy for the ones who lost their lives and rather than rage against the bastards who are doing these kin d of attacks again and again they would rather bleat on about how awful it would be to come down hard on known terrorist suspects.. PATHETIC

Its basically a perfect storm.

I think that's right lessworriedaboutthecat. The most frustrating thing about these discussions is when someone is concerned about one aspect and decides that all of the other aspects must therefore not exist. With a fair bit of accusations of not being patriotic, not caring about murdered children, etc thrown in.

Unbelievable the lack of empathy for the ones who lost their lives

I'll respond to that comment on the new thread.

"Unbelievable the lack of empathy for the ones who lost their lives and rather than rage against the bastards who are doing these kin d of attacks again and again they would rather bleat on about how awful it would be to come down hard on known terrorist suspects.. PATHETIC"

Do you not think that the empathy and rage can be taken as read? Do you seriously think people posting on this thread do not feel empathy and rage because they don't start every post with an account of their feelings?