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to ask if any of the manifestos have changed your mind about who you will vote for?

239 replies

killerlego · 21/05/2017 14:35

For example, someone who would have voted Conservative but will now not or are on the fence because of what is contained in the Conservative manifesto (or Labour, Lib Dem manifesto etc).

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PortiaCastis · 22/05/2017 12:56

Only nine points between the parties today

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2017-general-election-poll-tracker-10266121

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/05/2017 13:04

Here is the poll which shows the movement since the election was called.

The difference is nearly back to where they were when they started.

to ask if any of the manifestos have changed your mind about who you will vote for?
Morphene · 22/05/2017 13:06

manifestos have changed my voting intention. But I appear to be in the vast minority. Makes you wonder why politicians tell us what they intend to do if elected. Most people still seem to be stuck in 'as long as it has the right colour rosette I'll vote for it no matter what'.

Jupitar · 22/05/2017 13:19

I was impressed that they were willing to get the older generation to pay something if they have the means. Too often the tories have protected wealthy pensioners from austerity at the expense of the younger generation.

All the austerity we've had for the past 7 years and they're no closer the sorting the deficit out, they're not starting on the pensioners out of fairness they're doing it cos they can't squeeze any more from public services and the young, so the oldies are getting squeezed now.

elevenclips · 22/05/2017 13:25

Conservative = arse
Labour = arse

Either I will vote Lib Dem or not vote at all. I haven't decided. I hadn't decided prior to the manifestos (which I usually consider to be lies anyway, hence potentially not voting at all).

elevenclips · 22/05/2017 13:28

Biker - tuition fees came in under a labour govt. Not that I am defending any other party. I think they are all lying bastards.

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 22/05/2017 13:43

I was going to vote Lib Dem, am considering voting Labour. I am undecided and so the manifestos and considerations of tactical voting will make my mind up. I wish I could just vote on manifestos

vickibee · 22/05/2017 13:48

I wish we had PR system as my vote is wasted where I live. A huge majority for one party - I do still vote but wish it counted as in the Eu referendum. I am voting for labour because I beliive in Corbyn's ideology of a fairer society for all and not the nasty party. I have a disabled son and I fear for his future under the tories

HardcoreLadyType · 22/05/2017 14:05

DH has probably voted Tory in every election he has been eligible to vote in. He had already decided to vote tactically for the Lib Dems, and the Tory manifesto fiasco has done nothing to convince him to do otherwise. In fact, despite the VAT on school fees, out of pure self interest, he appreciates that a Labour government would be better for us (but Labour are unlikely to win in our constituency, so he's sticking to Lib Dems).

I have voted for various parties over the years. Never Tory, though. I usually vote more altruistically than DH; I believe that if we live in a fairer society, its better for everyone, not just the worse off. So maybe I'm not really altruistic, after all.

I think Labour could have come up with better ways of making the country fairer than the ones they've chosen, in their manifesto, but I guess you can't fix everything all at once. (I mean, even the Tories have now extended their original plan to have no budget deficit by 2015, which they originally committed to, to 2025. Yep, that's 10 years behind schedule!)

Morphene · 22/05/2017 14:07

ah yes PR. Imagine a world without tactical voting, where your vote actually counted the same amount regardless of where you lived....

Back in reality we have the Green party with 5% of the vote, 1 MP, (that's 0.15% of the MPs) and we are only likely to keep that 1 MP because the Tories didn't quite get their gerrymandering bill through before calling the election. Once that happens, the one GP seat will be split across two safe Tory seats and we will be down to 0 MP for 5% of the vote.

Do you call that democracy? I fucking don't.

JiminnyCricket · 22/05/2017 14:37

I STILL haven't heard a decent argument for why JC is a "lunatic"?.. can someone explain what precisely gives you this impression? Is it how he looks or the rose bush in his front garden? Because every interview and speech I've seen of him makes me think he's a throroughly decent, principled human being. How dare he.

What's more, he's demonstrated in his manifesto that you're very much voting for the Labour PARTY not him as a person, illustrated by the fact that he has publically stated he disagrees with trident, and yet in his manifesto it says they will be keeping it. To me this shows he listens to his party, public opinion and although he might not agree, he does what the majority want.

All you need to know about him is on this video. Watch it.

www.facebook.com/TRTP2/videos/811862412306014/?pnref=story

GColdtimer · 22/05/2017 16:13

What todo, you didn't actually answer my question though. Schools and education are fucked under the Tories. Has anyone voting Tory looked at the school cuts website? Are you happy with the average primary loosing 3 members of staff and the average secondary loosing 10.

At least if you are voting Tory equip yourselves of the facts and lobby your mp to protect education funding. Google fair funding for schools campaign. It's not party political. My Tory mp couldn't be less interested. Self serving woman she is.

As for "there is no money" argument. There is money for pointless free schools and the grammar school project. And if business paid their taxes there would be billions in the system.

So, please Tory voters tell me how you feel about education cuts. I have asked it probably 30 times in the last few weeks. Not one person has answered.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/05/2017 16:28

Because every interview and speech I've seen of him makes me think he's a throroughly decent, principled human being. How dare he.

Other people think very differently to you. How very dare they

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/05/2017 16:36

Back in reality we have the Green party with 5% of the vote, 1 MP

Worse still, we have the SNP who concentrate their efforts on roughly a twelfth of the UK's population ... with 54 MPs

Good job nobody ever said the system's perfect, isn't it? Hmm

GColdtimer · 22/05/2017 16:37

Piglet, any answer on education from you?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/05/2017 16:44

Piglet, any answer on education from you?

I never have nor ever will vote Tory as I have said a few times so not sure why you are asking me.

Morphene · 22/05/2017 16:54

puzzled well quite. 4.7% of the vote and 9% of the MPs for the SNP there.

Nobody thinks the current system is perfect? Its a hell of a lot less than 'not perfect'.

So why are we continuing with a system that is total BS then? Is it because the people in power are benefiting from the corrupt system? I wonder....

GColdtimer · 22/05/2017 17:04

Sorry piglet. I was getting you mixed up with someone else.

Jupitar · 22/05/2017 17:10

Piglet, any answer on education from you?

I never have nor ever will vote Tory as I have said a few times so not sure why you are asking me.

Well I don't know why not, you seem to agree with the Tory policies and hate the Labour ones, so you may as well Wink

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 22/05/2017 17:11

Well I don't know why not, you seem to agree with the Tory policies and hate the Labour ones, so you may as well

No I don't actually.

JiminnyCricket · 22/05/2017 17:13

Piglet or anyone who thinks Corbyn is insane, can you explain why you think this way? I'm trying to understand.

GColdtimer · 22/05/2017 17:25

Jiminiy. I wish you luck in getting an answer to what should be a straight forward question.

makeourfuture · 22/05/2017 17:31

The Tory manifesto was baffling enough as it was. A complete hash really.

But now they are changing it all again?

Isn't it a little late in the game? They've been in for damnear a decade....

OddBoots · 22/05/2017 17:34

makeourfuture - ah, but if they make it all confusing then no-one can hold them to anything, they don't have to be troubled by bothersome little matters of sticking to their word.

CormorantDevouringTime · 22/05/2017 17:42

Speaking as "the wealthy" but with teenaged children and aging parents, Labour are bribing the living daylights out of me.

I'm impressed that the conservatives were prepared to have a stab at the social care crisis - the current system where homeowners don't pay for in-home care simply isn't working. Huge amounts more money is needed. But lumping it all on the beneficiaries of the people who are unlucky enough to need it isn't the way - Andy Burnham's "death tax", aka social insurance was the obvious solution and I hope there are conservatives in the Treasury cursing the day they backtracked on their promise to support it.