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to ask if any of the manifestos have changed your mind about who you will vote for?

239 replies

killerlego · 21/05/2017 14:35

For example, someone who would have voted Conservative but will now not or are on the fence because of what is contained in the Conservative manifesto (or Labour, Lib Dem manifesto etc).

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citroenpresse · 21/05/2017 21:35

Piglet big black hole in Labour's funding according to the IFS? Where? What they've actually said about one of the Tories key policies, for example is is "By contrast, the Conservative plan makes no attempt to deal with the fundamental challenge of social care funding. That is the big problem". What they mostly seem to be saying is that is it is difficult to analyse any of the Conservative intentions because they haven't provided any costings!

Jupitar · 21/05/2017 21:40

If you've got a problem with Corbyn being a IRA terrorist sympathiser, make sure you don't vote conservatives, as Croydon Conservative Councillor Maria Gatland was a member of the IRA and wrote a book about her affair with David O'Connell one of the top IRA guys, it's harsh she helped him buy weapons and celebrated when British soldiers and English civilians were killed.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 21/05/2017 21:48

Well there is a lot of their manifesto that is uncoated. Nothing on the numerous nationalisations for starters

Still peddling this myth piglet?

The nationalisation wont cost anything as far as debt and deficit is concerned, all they do is when the service contract end it just wont be put up for tenure, how would that cost anything?

GColdtimer · 21/05/2017 21:56

I wonder how all you Tory voters feel about your children's education being utterly dismantled. Billions lost in funding, class sizes increasing, fewer teachers, TAs, Sen support. It's fucking terrifying. If you have a child in state education and vote Tory you will have no right to complain about the state of your child's school. And their plans for the curriculum are even worse.

QuirkyGoose · 21/05/2017 22:04

I'm a floating voter. I've always voted and I won't this time. I agree with the elderly care plans but I did not want Brexit to happen and the underfunding of schools is shocking. Corbyn is an idealist and I'm sure never expects to implement any of his ideas, VAT on private schools would hit my family significantly and not just my kids but my job. I was going to vote Lib Dem but I'm anti legalising cannabis so they lost my vote.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 21/05/2017 22:08

Oh it's so simple to take back control of privatised companies Hmm

Costs of ongoing work, upgrading services, attracting new investors, costs of repairs, investors pulling out .... and won't their be a freeze on costs to customers ? (Maybe I dreamt that bit up)

peppatax · 21/05/2017 22:20

I think people are deluded if they honestly believe that it's purely the current Government that is responsible for all the challenges faced at the moment.

Governments respond retrospectively so the NHS, education, social care etc being a shambles is due to the changes over the last 10-15 years meaning the previous policies no longer did the job.

Class sizes are too big due to a growing population. Social care is poor due to people living longer and changes to family life meaning there aren't always people around to care for elderly relatives. The NHS is under pressure as it's seen as a 'the NHS will fix me' rather than a 'it's there if I need it'.

peppatax · 21/05/2017 22:26

Sorry hit post too soon... I think the manifestos should be taken as who has best addressed the current and foreseeable issues facing the nation not the actual content of 'the Tories want kids to go hungry at lunch' and 'Labour will mean my kids get free university'

Charmageddon · 21/05/2017 22:48

If you've got a problem with Corbyn being a IRA terrorist sympathiser, make sure you don't vote conservatives, as Croydon Conservative Councillor Maria Gatland was a member of the IRA and wrote a book about her affair with David O'Connell one of the top IRA guys, it's harsh she helped him buy weapons and celebrated when British soldiers and English civilians were killed.

Yes,^ trying to be the prime minister & being a local councillor are exactly comparable......^
Confused

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 22:48

the Tories want kids to go hungry at lunch

Except they don't do they.

Labour will mean my kids get free university

Not completely though.

This is the thing for me and why like many others in this Election I am 'homeless'

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 22:51

Oh and to add to the frame it seems thread is a real nastiness in the air now too.

This is in response to a nurse asking a question in the Scottish leaders debate questions the SNP.

to ask if any of the manifestos have changed your mind about who you will vote for?
PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 22:52

*there

peppatax · 21/05/2017 22:52

*the Tories want kids to go hungry at lunch

Except they don't do they.*

No they don't but that's not what the lefties interpret it as. Getting parents to pay £2 a day to feed their child so the money can instead be spent on teaching resources has not gone down well in some parts...

Jupitar · 21/05/2017 23:00

Oh and to add to the frame it seems thread is a real nastiness in the air now too.

This is in response to a nurse asking a question in the Scottish leaders debate questions the SNP.

No it's not, he's s tory mp who was in the audience of BBC QT and said his daughters a nurse who earns more than the average wage and has a house and car, forgetting to mention she works for BUPA

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 21/05/2017 23:04

Getting parents to pay £2 a day to feed their child so the money can instead be spent on teaching resources has not gone down well in some parts

Teaching resources would be nice, arent the tories cancelling nonmeans tested lunches for the 1st 3 years and bringing in free breakfasts for all in all 7 years

Not sure how much money will be saved...teaching resources would be good though

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/05/2017 23:07

No, I've not changed my mind - I intended to vote Conservative this time and will still do so

I totally agree, though, with the PP who was "appalled by the greed that is coming to the fore against the Tory care proposals". Admittedly it's a tough thing to do - and probably wouldn't be in the manifesto if the PM wasn't pretty sure of a majority - but surely voters can understand that the current arrangements for funding elderly care just aren't sustainable?

peppatax · 21/05/2017 23:09

I might be wrong Rufus but I understood the lunch savings were going into the education budget. If the breakfast option is an 'instead of' then in reality it still will not cost as much as it won't be 100% of the school population actually having free breakfast or it will be linked into a paying breakfast club and breakfast is the cheapest meal to provide in bulk (cereal/toast etc)

CrowLeftOfTheMurder · 21/05/2017 23:10

I knew I wouldn't be voting Tory, but reading the manifestos I think it'll be labour. I've actually NEVER voted labour before despite being in the very red northeast. I'm a little bewildered by the general opinions I hear on Corbyn... Lunatic, megalomaniac, not leader material, untrustworthy etc basically because it suggests that people think the others are sane, fair rational natural born leaders Confused

GColdtimer · 21/05/2017 23:10

Nobody has addressed my concern about education though. In real terms per pupil funding will go down between 8-10% whilst money is found for building more free schools where they are not wanted and for the grammar school vanity project.

So money is there. It's just mostly being used to find private companies involved in education.

PortiaCastis · 21/05/2017 23:11

Still need staff on duty for breakfast and they'll want paying

GColdtimer · 21/05/2017 23:17

Puzzled are your children at a state school? Have you looked at the schoolcuts.org.uk website to see how much the schools in your area will loose?

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 21/05/2017 23:18

peppa

No idea either...i think its one of those think tank 'good ideas' things

my understanding is that is a free for all, but its more than doubling the amount of eligible children

And as portia says the extra staff will need paying

So I honestly cant see how its going to save much money

Unless

They get rid of the free for all lunches which are subsidised by the government and make the schools pay for breakfast out of their budgets

No idea though...as its not been explained

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 21/05/2017 23:19

I dont like all of the policies for any party...obviously

Its just a matter of picking the least worse

I think the tories are fucking up education, so I doubt it will be for them

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 23:30

No it's not

The article wasn't the tweet was. There are SNP supporters currently hounding the woman on SM.

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