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to ask if any of the manifestos have changed your mind about who you will vote for?

239 replies

killerlego · 21/05/2017 14:35

For example, someone who would have voted Conservative but will now not or are on the fence because of what is contained in the Conservative manifesto (or Labour, Lib Dem manifesto etc).

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deblet · 21/05/2017 20:44

I am voting for Timmy mouse just so I vote for someone.

coconuttella · 21/05/2017 20:45

I don't have a problem with assets being taxed but I think a lower threshold for inheritance tax would have been fairer and achieved the same result if they wanted to avoid taxing younger generations (which I think is sensible)

Yes, this would have been a much better policy... Its the uncertainty and unfairness that's the problem. I think people would be much happier having the inheritance tax allowance dropped by, say, £75k to £250k if they knew that their ability to pass on inheritance wasn't dependent on whether they were unlucky enough to get dementia. It also doesn't penalise the young.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 21/05/2017 20:47

Why would May call for election now if she didn't want to win

She knows it's a done deal against Corbyn and the pathetically poor shadow cabinet (bar a few)

She called it to gain more control over the HOC which she will gain

PaperdollCartoon · 21/05/2017 20:50

Mummy2017 you've been lied to and believed it. The Tory's have borrowed more in the last 7 years than EVERY LABOUR GOVERNMENT EVER COMBINED. They say they're taking us out of debt whilst getting us into more and more, and giving us less in the process. It's one of the biggest scams going.

deblet · 21/05/2017 20:50

I don't think she well get more control. I can see it being a mess again as not enough people will vote for Tory even if like me they can't cope with voting for Corbyn.

PaperdollCartoon · 21/05/2017 20:51

Still no one has explained why Corbyn is a lunatic? Why is it considered crazy to want to care for people when they're sick, help the poor and disabled, educate children and create more equality? I just don't understand why anyone would be against that.

citroenpresse · 21/05/2017 20:52

If you are in a residential care home, the only advantage with the new proposal is that you keep 100k (assuming you even had in the first place). So if you sell an average house, you have 233k, you are in a care home for the average time, you would have 133k left anyway. If you need more extensive care, yes you might have spent all of that. How many people does that apply to? whereas three times as many people have care at home. Many more of those will be paying for care that they didn't have to previously. But none of these cost arguments reflect that we are not addressing what people need (only what it costs) and the burden is not shared. It's a crisis.

PaperdollCartoon · 21/05/2017 20:54

I'll admit he's not the most inclusive leader, but he has real principals and sticks to them. He's always been on the right side of history, and he wants what's right not what makes him popular. We're so used to media puppet politicians we think that fakery is what makes a politician successful.

PositiveAttitude · 21/05/2017 20:56

"Dementia" tax has made me change my mind. Angry

deblet · 21/05/2017 21:00

I have no problem with caring for everyone and throwing lots of money around. I work for the government so the lifting of the pay cap is good for me, my son is disabled and Labour are always more generous to the disabled so on paper he looks fab. Unfortunately I am old and I know they always spend more than the country has and that is why the Tories end up getting back in and always crack down as we have no money left. Principals are great but they won't help us get through the mess that is Brexit, I don't want a man who cuddled up to terrorists and I don't want a man who thinks we can have a chat and a cuppa with terrorists rather than deploy nuclear weapons. He scares me more than May and I have always voted Labour.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 21/05/2017 21:01

Another spin from his PR team the right side of history Hmm

What utter rubbish bringing in ex prisoner IRA terrorists into the HOC a few weeks after the Brighton Bombing and attending IRA meeting commemorating IRA terrorists that killed British soldiers and citizens is not being in the right side of history

ProphetOfDoom · 21/05/2017 21:02

I'm a JAM. For the first time ever I'm considering voting Labour. There's nothing in the Conservative manifesto I can vote for, there's definitely policies in the Labour one that will benefit me and the dcs.

The one aspect holding me back: Brexit and the bill that will come with it.

OddBoots · 21/05/2017 21:03

"Labour are always more generous to the disabled so on paper he looks fab. Unfortunately I am old and I know they always spend more than the country has and that is why the Tories end up getting back in and always crack down as we have no money left. " - I think that always used to be the case but I this time around they seem to have spent loads but there doesn't seem to be anything to show for it.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 21:05

He's always been on the right side of history

He's always rewriting history you mean.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 21/05/2017 21:10

Thanks sea

I was just going...but i explained !!!!

Grin

No he thought the tories had the best policies for our family...i think its fairly fair to say money wise Smile

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 21:11

Nobody conservative messes with the grey vote unless they want out.

She is after the working class vote in marginals and it's working.

Focus groups yesterday amongst Labour voters saying that they are seriously considering switching to them because of the means testing etc.

Let's not forget that the majority of those that I have heard that have said that they aren't happy because of it on TV or radio have said that they now won't vote not that they are changing vote so it is of no gain to Labour at all.

Corbyn seems to be campaigning in Labour strongholds or Tory strongholds. It is about increasing his vote share for him to carry on after the election, otherwise he would be in the marginals.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 21:15

I thought labour were just having a spend fest, but having read the manifestos I no longer think so. Labour seem to have done the maths better than the conservatives, which surprised me.

Well there is a lot of their manifesto that is uncoated. Nothing on the numerous nationalisations for starters.

The IFS have also said there is a big black hole in their figures.

user1471448556 · 21/05/2017 21:24

Intending to vote Lib Dem and am happy with a lot of what I have read in their manifesto so will probably stick with them (just waiting for more clarity on the best tactical vote in my constituency), but I was also genuinely impressed with the Labour manifesto. The Tory manifesto is pretty miserable, and despite the fact that my company will end up paying a lot more corporation tax if Labour get in, I would far rather that than 5 years of Bluekip - losing the NHS, watching my kids go through school whilst education is underfunded and teachers are treated so badly, and going through with a damaging hard brexit - which will destroy the economy and rip a myriad of opportunities away from young people.

Charmageddon · 21/05/2017 21:24

I'll admit he's not the most inclusive leader

This is a problem for a leader.
Especially if they are the leader of one of the two biggest political parties.
Catastrophic if they are to be the leader of a country.

but he has real principals and sticks to them.

It is far, far easier to stick to one's principles than it is to go against them for the greater good.

He's always been on the right side of history

No, he hasn't.
His 'team' have rewritten history around him.

and he wants what's right not what makes him popular

The Labour manifesto is a perfect example of popularity over reality.

We're so used to media puppet politicians we think that fakery is what makes a politician successful.

I agree with this though.
1 out of 5 things.

Jupitar · 21/05/2017 21:25

Not sure of where you got figures, but yes, debt increases under the Tories, but Tories inherited a deficit of £103bn in 2010

I was replying to a post about massive labour debts and pointed out the debts are higher under conservatives, nothing about deficit figures.
However that mathematical genius George Osbourne said he could emilinate the deficit by 2015, despite all the cuts to public spending, its still nowhere near being eliminated and Teresa May is now saying it won't be eliminated until 2025. No doubt if they're still in charge in 2025 it'll still be labours fault it's not clear

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 21:29

The Labour manifesto is also a wish list and promising the moon on a stick.

There is no way all that can be done whilst also negotiating Brexit.

It isn't possible. Some for logistical reasons, some for legal reasons.

They are already backtracking on the nationalising of the National Grid.

There is confussion as to what is happening with the benefits freeze.

Bloosh · 21/05/2017 21:29

I've been pleasantly surprised by the Labour manifesto - and shocked at the unvarnished nastiness of the Tory one. Praying they don't get in even harder than I was before.

My aunt is a lifelong Tory voter but is going to abstain because of the 'death tax' (thank his).

My vote is for the Lib Dems. It's tactical. I would vote Labour if I could.

colouringinagain · 21/05/2017 21:31

After both manifestos I am now more tempted to vote Labour than I was before.

The Torys are destroying the NHS and education. Dementia tax wtf. Labour have costed their manifesto unlike Tories who seem complacent. Labour's manifesto describes a society I'd like live in. Yesterday are some big questions around governance and funding, but the Tories have driven us further into debt and have no inclination to pursue tax dodgers.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 21/05/2017 21:32

Labour have costed their manifesto

It isn't all costed.

Tanith · 21/05/2017 21:34

Gloriousslug The ratios now are that a teacher-led nursery class can have a ratio of 1:13 for 3 and 4 year olds. It's 1:4 for 2 year olds at the moment.
Up to now, many nurseries have resisted this because they think it's a bad idea for the children.

Evidently the Conservative answer to lack of places for their 30 free hours is as we suspected they would do: put them into schools and force the higher ratio. Their manifesto specifies only maintained settings and more nurseries in schools. 2 year olds are not specifically mentioned in the manifesto.

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