To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

Well I rather like the labour motto ' for the many, not the few' . so much more far reaching than 'strong and stable'. That sounds like a carthorse to me. After all May keeps putting the bolt on after the carthorse has already gone!

Juliet, was he promoting peace when he voted against the Anglo-Irish Agreement?

hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1985/nov/27/anglo-irish-agreement

(I am a Labour Party member but I don't think brushing people's concerns aside by telling them they have been duped will win any votes. I will be voting Labour despite my concerns about the leadership; I understand that others may feel differently).

Enthusiasm according to May this morning any vote other than a vote for her will surely put JC in Number 10. So the strong and unstable lady demands everyone votes for her because she has only got a 6 seat majority. These are her words not mine! Talk about tell people how to vite pfffffft!

They set the narrative May or Corbyn leading the way through the Brexit negotiations

It's moved away from that but that point will be pushed over and over again

Yep everyone's vote is their own I totally agree and I shall still love to debate with you all and wish you all peace and a long and happy life no matter what you vote for. Don't think May is in agreement with my philosophy though. We simply MUST vote for her or the world will end.

It's at times like this election where I am actually glad to be poor. Brexit does not affect me because I will still be poor whether we are in the EU or not. I shall still be poor whether May or JC is priminister. I shall still be poor whether the social care system or the NHS completely collapse or not. I shall still be poor whether the education system fails or not. I shall still be poor when I shuffle off this mortal world. At least I will go out how I came in, with nothing. At least I'm consistent!

Peace and nite x

Sostenueto, me too.

Peace & love to you too
(even though my views have been at odds with yours for most of these threads!)

Night

We must all pray now and come together as one as there has been a suspected bomb attack at the Manchester Arena where thousands of teenagers were at a pop concert. fatalities and injured. Horrendous horrendous!

Sostenueto
Thoughts be prayers are with those in Manchester. Appalling attacks! And I'm loving your messages!!

Clearly JC doesn't support the IRA, this and the Brexit deal are distractions from the main issues and main policies within the fully costed Labour manifesto that truly affect peoples lives and how crap things have become under the Tories. And on a Brexit note, nobody has a clue what the outcome will be but having silly (UKIP voter appealing) tantrums about the way the negotiations are going will not help TM get the best deal.

If I was in any way Tory leaning I would wonder why JC draws huge crowds of supporters who applaud his policies wherever he goes and TM draws protesters wherever she goes and has to hide away. That would start to bother me. I would also be concerned by how the UKIP vote has now predominantly gone to the Tories - these people are extremists and now they don't need there own party because the Tories have been so far right with their policies.

The polls are narrowing, Labour are now ahead of Tories in Wales and the election is not a done deal.

I'm not blaming the elite for a Labour loss (especially as I believe they will win, I am on the doorsteps every evening in a tory town and I can see the change since the manifesto launch). I am explaining that the Tory party serves those who already have wealth and that the Labour Party serves normal people and disadvantaged, vulnerable people. Unless you're wealthy the Tories really will not be improving your life (despite what the media tells you).

Social media rather than mainstream media is a great source for balanced views in my opinion.

After the awful attack in Manchester campaigning has stopped until further notice.

Prehaps the same should happen with these threads.

Horrific news.
Awful.

PigletWasPoohsFriend

Thats really not a bad idea given the circumstance

Piglet agreed.

Well said, Piglet.

Well said Piglet

R.I.P to the fallen in Manchester, safe in the arms of Jesus.xccc

On the whole it's better that they are costing it more realistically than is usually done.

Stealing from dead people to plug the holes in the budget is indefensibly immoral, however, and it's time that stopped.

If you add this new stuff to the existing inheritance tax etc. the majority of people who work/save all their lives to buy property they can pass on to their kids will have it plundered by the government after they die, when they can't answer for themselves.

It's easy to sell this to people without much money as a tax on the "rich", but really we're talking about anyone, from any walk of life, who given a whole lifetime can manage to buy a house they want their kids to have. At a time when their kids probably can't ever dream of buying that house themselves, imagine dying knowing the government will make them sell it.

In a way YANBU it's better than the others and the Lib Dems/Labour both have this as a policy too, but pickpocketing the bereaved is no way to pay for the political class's mistakes.

I will go with the excellent post I have just seen by piglet and leave it there.

R.I.P to the fallen in Manchester, safe in the arms of Jesus

Please dont peddle your religion here

Totally agree with you, piglet

RIP to all the innocent lives lost

Totally agree Piglet

RIP to all those that have lost their lives. Those poor poor children and their families

We all can show respect in different ways for some this will include religion we are all feeling terribly sad

How dare you suggest Im peddling my religion just another poster I am showng respect!!!! This is still a Christian country.

Thank you enthusiasm xc

Another Labour Party member who will not vote labour while Corbyn is leading the party

And I know quite a few who feel the same

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed like many other Labour voters I can vote Labour in the happy knowledge that my candidate (a sitting MP) hates Corbyn almost as much as I do, and his voting record reflects that.