To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

This errr not a listening exercise but not a u turn is going to cost billions more than the original proposal but not a single acknowledgment of that from the tories on this thread.

Is this how the Brexit negotiations are going to be run? Chopping and changing her position every time she gets a bad headline in the Daily Mail?

Good question Not
I shouldn't think they've got any other strategy.

Thing is, she got a good headline in the Mail. What she didn't get was good comments from the Mail readers.

we'd be able to hold the tories to better account on their policies if labour didn't have a raft of huge changes to push through, such a breathless amount of expensive change that looking at any of them in detail is more than a full-time job.

The tories to some extent are being held to better account because Corbyn has so many policies it's wading through treacle knowing where to start.

Held to better account? What does that mean?

The Tories are likely to win and their manifesto should be scrutinised because it's very likely to form the policies of our next government!

labour in my centre-left brain, doesn't have a credible alternative. That's what I mean.

I was a front line carer! My did is one now. We know the cost of care. We know what policies the care agencies adopt. We know his much a council is prepared to pay for care for those that cannot afford it. We know the care agencies are refusing to take council referalls in favour of private clients who pay twice as much. We know in ten years time there will be 3 million people with dementia in this country. We know there will be more younger disabled people. We know that if you cap how much you spend on care then you must cap how much the care agencies charge. We know that bed blocking is in part down to care agencies having not enough trained carers. We also know they pay minimum wage so the quality of care will not be topnotch. We know they are making a bomb out if the care industry. Is that enough from front line professionals?

it's clear a lot more policy is needed on the care offering side of the debate - from a centre-left govt perhaps? I do believe you're right about that side of it Sostenueto and that the tories and their business can be left to run everything mantra not being a wholly efficient story.

Sorry, I was multi-tasking - the tory polices are being held to better account/better scrutinized because there are fewer big policy changes than Corbyn has proposed.

Maybe right nolotterywinyet but I think care is a really big worry for many. Nearly everyone has been affected by the care sector in some way or other. I think also the greatest fear for people is the loss of their house and the thought of not giving your children the benefit of your estate wholly upon your death. We all work and strive for our families. Some of us through bad luck strived for nothing. Some will be lucky, I estimate at least 40% will escape care costs completely. Trouble is you don't know if that will be you or not. None knows what's round the corner. I don't believe anyone should be sucked dry either. But there must be a better solution because I believe taxes will go up anyway because May really does not want to increase her contribution to the social care system. Over 8 years they have took 12 billion away from social care. They say they will invest 8 billion by 2023. It it money they already took out and doesn't put back the full amount so in real terms no increase i n funding.

Well, I guess one thing's for sure after all the brouhaha about U turns and goodness knows what ...

The media campaign against Corbyn - a bit muted up to now as, let's face it, he looks like a extremist without any help - is likely to be ramped right up

The media campaign against Corbyn - a bit muted up to now as, let's face it, he looks like a extremist without any help - is likely to be ramped right up

By mid week they will be in full flow with this.

Well I thought it couldn't get any more confusing...

The media campaign against Corbyn - a bit muted up to now as, let's face it, he looks like a extremist without any help - is likely to be ramped right up

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-polling-general-election-2017-favourite-young-voters-a7749251.html

Biased by the writer tho

Christ.

I don't want to vote for any of them.

They are all terrible.

And I thought the Americans had a poor choice between Clinton and trump

Personally don't feel Corybn is an 'extremist' or 'looks like an extremist'. Maybe the media will not be in what Piglet calls 'full flow' against him next week because all he's doing is simply taking the chance to put a platform, which he has been supporting for decades, across. And he's enjoying it and it shows. There was indeed media surprise in the manifesto because they expected something much more extreme. It isn't just him, whereas May's is very clearly her and as was seen today, there are ructions.

May has listened to sensible criticism

Indeed. "Theresa this is going to be a huge vote loser for you from your core supporters." 'Oh right, I will change my policy and swear blind that I didn't.'

Strong and stable my arse, as the posters say.

Corbyn doesn't look like an extremist! Fucking hell 🙄

Maybe the media will not be in what Piglet calls 'full flow' against him next week because all he's doing is simply taking the chance to put a platform, which he has been supporting for decades, across.

He isn't going to be able to that in a 30 minute Andrew Neil interview or the Paxman interview that are coming up.

They will completely grill him.

Corbyn doesn't look like an extremist! Fucking hell

Well he's not attacking sick people and children...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRNl77lbDuU

Clip showing the manifesto u-turn where she claims that the cap was there all along hmm on the dementia tax and Jeremy C(h)unt saying they were dropping the cap

Teresa is getting grilled tonight, hope she's got her rewritten script

Oh yes like Paxman and Neil are going to let the IRA issue slip

Has anyone mentioned the backtracking on an ivory ban yet?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-ivory-trade-ban-2017-manifesto-scrap-pledge-illegal-poaching-a7748581.html

Our grandkids will only ever know what elephants look like from old documentaries and from reading Elmer.

(This is not the primary reason I am not voting Conservative - their economic and diplomatic incompetence, their appalling attitude towards sick and disabled people, and their running-down of the NHS are all uppermost in my mind, but I figured plenty of other people will have mentioned those factors already.)

YABU.

The problem is that she does not say what the cap will be - eg 50K or £100k? My father spent £130k on his last year alone of dementia care. If the cap had been in and IF (a big if) the local authority would have provided care to him at home then he would have have savings left to pass to us when he died. Instead he must have spent at least £250k on care costs over 2 - 3 years.