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Holiday tension.... WWYD

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Bellyrub1980 · 17/05/2017 04:16

Right, to set the scene: Me, my DH, DD, MIL and SFIL are here together on holiday. It is actually my in-laws house half way up a mountain in a warm corner of Europe. It has a pool and is pretty idyllic all round. However it is very remote, nothing around for about 30 min drive. No public transport. Dodgy mountainside roads that aren't safe to walk or cycle on. The In-laws have kindly paid for our flights and refuse to take any money for us staying here and eating their food (which they insist on cooking, and they are brilliant cooks). We're very very lucky.

However, the holiday does come with some T's and C's. It is very well-to-do, middle class, civilised etc. It is very pleasant but very... erm... 'controlled' I think is the right word. In fact, the theme of the holiday could well be 'Everything in moderation'. This is slightly at odds with my idea of a holiday which is more 'everything to excess' .... but I didn't pay for this holiday so I'm willing to go with the flow. This is our 5th-ish time out here as a couple/family.

As a background point, MIL has always monitored how much I eat. She literally raises her eyebrows if I go for second helpings because I'm overweight. It grinds me slightly, but is just a foible of hers and for the most part I ignore it and do my best to have some self control so as not to disgust her.

But anyway, here is the issue...

On day 3 after dinner, MIL stands up and states how she cannot understand why DH (my DH that is, not her DH) has to drink so much. She then turns to me and says I'm not much better. She is upset because DH's biological father is/was an alcoholic. She cannot stand people drinking to access. I agree that my alcohol tolerance has 'improved' lately and DH rolls his eyes and says 'I'm on holiday mum'. And that's that. Off she goes to bed. I didn't say more because I was totally stunned by the confrontation and I'm rubbish with thinking on the spot. Plus I had 3 gins inside me.

I must admit I was pretty annoyed at the accusation of drinking too much. I certainly wasn't drunk and the gin I was drinking was bought by us at the airport. Plus I'm nearly 40, so im really not accustomed to somebody monitoring my alcohol consumption. I had a good old rant to my friend via text and decided I'd continue the holiday booze-free so as not to cause any more upset.

The thing is, my only experience of family holidays (pre-meeting my DH) is to spend all day in the pool messing about, eating whatever we like and drinking from about 4/5pm. No rules. Just having a laugh. I appreciate not all families are like this, but this is my default setting for a holiday if you will. So it is an adjustment for me to be so controlled on holiday. But I'm trying to remind myself.... it's a free holiday, it's a free holiday, it's a free holiday.... and just be greatful.

Yesterday DH, who seems to have fully regressed into a teenager rebillion mode, gets completely shit faced, singing football (?!) chants whilst mooning and dancing around the pool drunk. Eyebrows are raised. MIL is not impressed. We go out for dinner (against my advice) and whilst he goes to the loo MIL asks me why he decided to get so drunk. I explain I'm not sure why, but I think it's an act of defiance. "How very childish" is the response.... and I have to agree.

The atmosphere now is terrible. MIL and DH basically are at loggerheads. DH is in a terrible mood and is not at all fun to be around. Our DD is always a heartbeat away from a tantrum (she's 2) and how I 'parent' her is constantly being watched and critiqued. I just literally can't relax now, and there are 5 days to go. I plan to keep my head down and stay out of the way as much as I can until we go home. But I'm interested to hear... WWYD?

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HamletsSister · 17/05/2017 15:27

Topics of conversation:

Holidays in the past they have had - best / worst

The olden days (pre-internet etc).

How x or y city / town has changed.

We find with MiL that if she is firmly talking about the past it makes her feel younger and more engaged and she is less fussy and domineering and more amused. We just keep firing the questions.

Avoid - religion, politics, food, socialising (alcohol) etc.

user1472298115 · 17/05/2017 15:53

I agree with LEM and kiwi that the fact your MIL uses to be married to an alcoholic makes a massive difference. Presumably she is terrified that your DH will turn out the same as his dad, and this holiday isn't exactly setting her mind at rest...

Your MIL probably can't wait for the holiday to be over as well. It must be horrible for her as she has been through living with an alcoholic.

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Contrast you - experience of family holidays with drinks as the sun goes down - making the decision to manage your alcohol consumption to keep on top of the situation & care for your DD, with that of your DH - adult child of an alcoholic - who decides to get plastered, behave childishly & irresponsibly.

Your MiL is who she is & her behaviour after living with an alcoholic can be understood. She may need a calm considered environment & pace of life to feel safe & secure. Never under estimate the chaos & destruction of an alcoholic in the family.

Comments about your food intake are a kindness too far (!) but reflecting back to you both about your alcohol intake may be truthful. She has been generous with her time, money & hospitality. It sounds like she wants to support you & share family life.

So, I would keep booze-free, ask her to go for walk to talk, share your appreciation for her generosity. Open up a conversation along the lines of 'maybe next time , you could all go somewhere more family orientated (e.g. quiet beach resort), perhaps for a short break/long weekend. After all, DD is getting to the stage where she'd love to go swimming/walk/ride her bike with her loving GM' Something like CentreParcs etc.

Then grab the elephant by the nozzle & ask how she feels about your DH's alcohol consumption & her concerns for him. Her fears may be freeform fuzzy or grounded in reality & recognition of family traits. Treat her experience with respect & build upon what is reasonable & achieveable. Your SFIL may be a neutral ally in this.

For the five days, everything in moderation Wine Cake Gin, keep calm, enjoy what you have in front of you. You know the food will be good, & second helpings are surely a compliment to the chef Grin.

I suggest you discuss DH's behaviours & family legacy with him when you get home, unless he is compellingly remorseful before then. Keep it all neutral, don't take sides.
Keep your powders dry until you & DH are back in familiar territory, & everyday routine provides a stable backdrop, before you open up the subject of being adult child of alcoholic etc. That's WIWD.

missperegrinespeculiar · 17/05/2017 16:16

You sound lovely, and your MIL should NOT be judging what you eat!
BUT, I do feel for her, she must have been through hell with her ex, and she must be petrified to think her son might be going down the same route (there is a genetic component to alcoholism, too, isn't there?)

Plus, can I just say, not everybody thinks of drinking as fun, I must admit to finding drunk people boring and unpleasant, I personally hate boozy holidays, clearly each to their own, though, so when in mixed company some compromise has to be found or holidays together need to be avoided. But, in this case, it is his mum, and she is very generous with you, could he not just leave the drinking for a few days? is drinking really necessary to having fun? I find that a bit sad...

sheepskinshrug · 17/05/2017 17:03

Anyone else feel tense just reading this thread? The problem with holidays is that everyone has such high expectations of what they will be and then the human reality hits - people are not perfect, they come with bad habits that you can't control. More than 3 nights staying with anyone who you don't normally live with puts a strain on most relationships. You guys just don't make a good holiday mash, "everyone" thinks they are right because "everyone" shouldn't be on holiday together, accept and move on and don't stay with MIL for longer than 3 nights again. I'm bitting my lip after a few hours with my mother.....you all need some space.

expatinscotland · 17/05/2017 17:48

Just make things easier on everyone, go home and no more holidays with them.

Jaxhog · 17/05/2017 18:03

Hi OP, perhaps 'rat arsed' was a bit over the top. But you yourself said your idea of a holiday is one which is more 'everything to excess'.

I'm still rankling that many people are saying a host should 'accomodate' the wishes of a guest. What about a guest's responsibility? After all, you're not paying for anything. Do you take a nice gift or take them out somewhere nice, either on hols or afterwards? Do you do the washing up? Or do you just moan about a critical 'look', while your husband sulks and you both drink after they've gone to bed. Have you thought that you might just be a porr guest?

So what if your MiL is a bit critical. You can always put your hand in your pocket and pay for your own holiday if you don't like it!

Sorry, but this seems to be all about you and your needs, and not about how to make it a more pleasant experience for your ILs.

(Gets off soapbox)

Bellyrub1980 · 17/05/2017 18:04

I think this is the most responses I've ever had for any thread ever! Lots of really valuable advice. And I've passed in some of it to DH as my own like I'm a wise old owl.

We're cooking the dinner tonight. Their choice of recipe, their food... but cooking it is the least we can do. I've just poured the drinks.... they're having alcohol and we're having water. Water does look suspiciously like gin though, so I've left the water bottle on the table to be completely sure they can rest easy.

Just on the loo reading your ideas for small talk.

No, Brexit wouldn't be great!! Lol

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Nanna50 · 17/05/2017 18:28

Hamlets .... The olden days pre Internet and that Grin it's official I lived in the olden days I now feel ancient it's really not that long ago...

CiderwithBuda · 17/05/2017 18:42

I can't believe you are not drinking and they are! Have a bloody drink!

I think you both not drinking is as silly as drinking to excess. Show her that you can have a couple of drinks withOut going overboard.

Ignore her food issues. I would just say the food is so nice and you are determined to enjoy it as you are on holiday.

MIL sounds like a bundle of fun. She's enough to drive anyone to drink!

diddl · 17/05/2017 18:55

"MIL sounds like a bundle of fun. She's enough to drive anyone to drink!"

What an unkind thing to say.

SenseiWoo · 17/05/2017 19:09

Comments about your food intake are a kindness too far (!)

Nothing of kindness in it, to my mind. Which does not mean that your MIL is setting out to be unkind either.

I'm going to go against the grain and suggest you leave your DH and MIL to their tussle entirely, bar at most a few quiet words to your DH in private. 'Triangulating' trying to sort things out as a go-between almost never works. They need direct and honest communication one to the other.

There is no point in risking hurt feelings with so little time to go, so I would grit my teeth, but the food and parenting criticism is actually quite bad. Just resolve never to go there again.

Bellyrub1980 · 17/05/2017 20:47

Oh we are never coming back! Dinner finished, DH did a great job cooking it to perfection. Very little conversation. I did try!

Re us not drinking alcohol. When DH apologised today he was asked to 'just not drink again' while we're here. So he's respecting that. And I've never helped myself to anything other than water and they haven't offered me anything else. So I don't really have a choice.

So I'm doing what a few PP's have suggested now. Treating this as a family visit, rather than a holiday. And we've already decided our next holiday will be at a caravan site!

Can you believe this though.... they've already hired a cottage for us to visit in Cornwall in June. 4 days. DH has already started to think of excuses to get out of it, but I think I'll have to go as they chose a cottage that was specifically able to sleep all of us. But now I know the new T's and C's of their idea of a holiday, I think I can be a good girl and get on with it.

Christ I sound so ungrateful!!! (But I'm honestly dreading it!!!)

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expatinscotland · 17/05/2017 20:52

'Can you believe this though.... they've already hired a cottage for us to visit in Cornwall in June. 4 days. DH has already started to think of excuses to get out of it, but I think I'll have to go as they chose a cottage that was specifically able to sleep all of us. But now I know the new T's and C's of their idea of a holiday, I think I can be a good girl and get on with it.'

WTAF?! Grow a backbone! They're controlling beyond belief. 'Sorry, this doesn't work for us. It's best you make other arrangements.' If she throws it back at you, you just tell her, 'I don't like having my eating monitored. We don't enjoy teetotal holidays. We prefer something more laid-back. Thank you, but this doesn't work for us as a family anymore.'

expatinscotland · 17/05/2017 20:54

They don't even ask, just tell, what are you, 14? You don't have to 'be grateful', they're not doing you a favour, you know.

NavyandWhite · 17/05/2017 20:55

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Bellyrub1980 · 17/05/2017 20:58

I need assertiveness training or something. The thought of saying we don't want to go scares me because I don't want to cause a long standing rift. Just keeping the peace!

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ShoesHaveSouls · 17/05/2017 21:01

I'd be tempted to say (jovially) "OK - but you have to let me eat and drink what I like though!" - but it may be too soon for that....

RoseandVioletCreams · 17/05/2017 21:05

She has been generous with her time, money & hospitality. It sounds like she wants to support you & share family life

Interesting post user but I dont like this comment.

She is also using her money to be controlling.

I also feel you need to make sure your DH firmly declines this next bloody holiday!!!!

I agree you really lack assertiveness!!! Your both acting like naughty children.

I agree you need to be really honest about your DH drinking, does he have a drink problem

Huldra · 17/05/2017 21:06

You don't sound ungrateful.

I would be trying to get out of the Cornwall trip, unless it's the one opportunity you can see them or it's something that you'd previously agreed to. Not enough annual leave? That's a good one.

I don't know the reality but I'm imagining your future breaks being taken up staying with them, drinking water and being on edge.

Showing my age but I have the Blackadder "Turnip Shaped lie a Thingy" episode playing in my head Grin

They can't sit there drinkning wine whilst requesting (expecting) the other adults not to, like naughty children.

Hope you get through the rest of the holiday.

KeepCalm · 17/05/2017 21:10

Oh holy good god I couldn't bear it.

You either don't go OR you grin your teeth and get on with it till DD is old enough to have a few days on her own with PIL.

DH & I go away for a weekend once a year and leave the kids with PIL. It's bliss!!

RoseandVioletCreams · 17/05/2017 21:13

your dh needs to get out of the cottage holiday - as you leave when they say - see you in cornwall he needs to say " actually put that on hold I know there may be a problem with going something is in the back of my mind I WILL check when i get home" then he can check for some BALLS and say NO.

RoseandVioletCreams · 17/05/2017 21:15

depends on how controlling she is with dd though - controlling play doh colurs is extreme.

Distressed2005 · 17/05/2017 21:16

I feel for you OP, a really tricky situation and this just sounds like my idea of hell!

I think I'd be saying you need to properly check the diary when you're back home re Cornwall & then pretend you've got a wedding to go to or something so won't be able to do those dates.

expatinscotland · 17/05/2017 21:16

'I need assertiveness training or something. The thought of saying we don't want to go scares me because I don't want to cause a long standing rift. Just keeping the peace!'

No, you need to stop being so ridiculous, and your H, too. He needs to grow a pair, too. The pair of you act like children, this is why you're treated this way. She's using money and her own issues to be controlling, do you really want your DD seeing that? You feel like you should be grateful to be told how to eat, drink and act? More fool you.

Huldra · 17/05/2017 21:20

You are allowed to say no Smile If you say you don't wan't to go then you havn't done anything ungrateful or wrong.

If you want to put off the decision whilst you're there and letting the dust settle after:
We don't know what we're doing next year.
We have to be careful with annual leave.
I think we have a few things in the diary around then, we can't say for sure yet. Have some plausible examples to mind like get together with friends.

If there's a reason why it's better to go on a short break with them, such as you don't get to see them otherwise, then push for a holiday park with individual caravans or lodges. At least you get some personal space. Sell it under things to do on site with a toddler.

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