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Holiday tension.... WWYD

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Bellyrub1980 · 17/05/2017 04:16

Right, to set the scene: Me, my DH, DD, MIL and SFIL are here together on holiday. It is actually my in-laws house half way up a mountain in a warm corner of Europe. It has a pool and is pretty idyllic all round. However it is very remote, nothing around for about 30 min drive. No public transport. Dodgy mountainside roads that aren't safe to walk or cycle on. The In-laws have kindly paid for our flights and refuse to take any money for us staying here and eating their food (which they insist on cooking, and they are brilliant cooks). We're very very lucky.

However, the holiday does come with some T's and C's. It is very well-to-do, middle class, civilised etc. It is very pleasant but very... erm... 'controlled' I think is the right word. In fact, the theme of the holiday could well be 'Everything in moderation'. This is slightly at odds with my idea of a holiday which is more 'everything to excess' .... but I didn't pay for this holiday so I'm willing to go with the flow. This is our 5th-ish time out here as a couple/family.

As a background point, MIL has always monitored how much I eat. She literally raises her eyebrows if I go for second helpings because I'm overweight. It grinds me slightly, but is just a foible of hers and for the most part I ignore it and do my best to have some self control so as not to disgust her.

But anyway, here is the issue...

On day 3 after dinner, MIL stands up and states how she cannot understand why DH (my DH that is, not her DH) has to drink so much. She then turns to me and says I'm not much better. She is upset because DH's biological father is/was an alcoholic. She cannot stand people drinking to access. I agree that my alcohol tolerance has 'improved' lately and DH rolls his eyes and says 'I'm on holiday mum'. And that's that. Off she goes to bed. I didn't say more because I was totally stunned by the confrontation and I'm rubbish with thinking on the spot. Plus I had 3 gins inside me.

I must admit I was pretty annoyed at the accusation of drinking too much. I certainly wasn't drunk and the gin I was drinking was bought by us at the airport. Plus I'm nearly 40, so im really not accustomed to somebody monitoring my alcohol consumption. I had a good old rant to my friend via text and decided I'd continue the holiday booze-free so as not to cause any more upset.

The thing is, my only experience of family holidays (pre-meeting my DH) is to spend all day in the pool messing about, eating whatever we like and drinking from about 4/5pm. No rules. Just having a laugh. I appreciate not all families are like this, but this is my default setting for a holiday if you will. So it is an adjustment for me to be so controlled on holiday. But I'm trying to remind myself.... it's a free holiday, it's a free holiday, it's a free holiday.... and just be greatful.

Yesterday DH, who seems to have fully regressed into a teenager rebillion mode, gets completely shit faced, singing football (?!) chants whilst mooning and dancing around the pool drunk. Eyebrows are raised. MIL is not impressed. We go out for dinner (against my advice) and whilst he goes to the loo MIL asks me why he decided to get so drunk. I explain I'm not sure why, but I think it's an act of defiance. "How very childish" is the response.... and I have to agree.

The atmosphere now is terrible. MIL and DH basically are at loggerheads. DH is in a terrible mood and is not at all fun to be around. Our DD is always a heartbeat away from a tantrum (she's 2) and how I 'parent' her is constantly being watched and critiqued. I just literally can't relax now, and there are 5 days to go. I plan to keep my head down and stay out of the way as much as I can until we go home. But I'm interested to hear... WWYD?

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sonjadog · 17/05/2017 12:21

Could you have a day out by yourselves? It sounds like some time apart would be good for you all.

The food thing would really annoy be, btw. It would make me want to heap up my plate with even more.

grannytomine · 17/05/2017 12:25

I honestly can't believe that people think it's ok for a host to dictate to guests what or how much they eat or drink. I think THAT's the height of rudeness. So if someone invites you to their house and says I'm a vegan/vegetarian/Muslim/tee total so we don't have any animal products/meat/pork/alcohol in the house you would feel entitled to ignore that? If you don't like those restrictions don't go but the OP isn't saying that, she is saying her MIL doesn't think her son should be getting drunk which is entirely reasonable, why would she?

grannytomine · 17/05/2017 12:26

diddl I hated that with plastacine when I was a kid. I never wanted to play with it when it turned into that horrible brown blob.

HouseworkIsASin10 · 17/05/2017 12:29

That would be my idea of hell.

Nobody would be telling me how much/little I could eat or drink.

Do your own family holiday from now on and do what you want!

Mulledwine1 · 17/05/2017 12:32

It isn't a requirement to drink excessively to have a good time you know

The problem is one person's excessive is another person's normal.

My husband and I drink 2-3 bottles of wine a week between us, spread over 5 days. My mum thinks that is excessive. Other people can drink that in a day.

ShoesHaveSouls · 17/05/2017 12:35

OP - try not to get it all blown out of proportion. Just accept that this is not a 'holiday' but a visit - a visit of 'controlled moderation' Wink . How does your DH feel today? I would just try and be calm and nice for the rest of the holiday, and concentrate on DD.

And I wouldn't be remotely drunk on 3 gins. A bit merry & smiley maybe.

Bellyrub1980 · 17/05/2017 13:03

DH is very hungover but went for a run early this morning purely to try and prove he isn't!! Stubborn as a mule!

I've talked to him about a few of the points raised here. he's going to sit down with his mum and try to reassure her that he appreciates her concern but that he isn't his dad and everything will be ok.

Any tips on what topics of conversation I can bring up around a silent dinner table?

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mmgirish · 17/05/2017 13:06

Oh god that sounds awful! I hate it when there is an atmosphere.

NotISaidTheWalrus · 17/05/2017 13:11

i like a drink or six but even i think its a bit off to start drinking at 4pm hmm

On holiday? A gin and tonic at 4pm is excessive? You'd bloody hate our holidays then mimosas at brunch

Ecureuil · 17/05/2017 13:22

i like a drink or six but even i think its a bit off to start drinking at 4pm hmm

I have a 3 year old and a 1 year old and have a glass of wine with lunch on holiday Shock.

It sounds awful OP. 3 gins is not excessive. Your DH's behaviour was appalling but you know that! And was no doubt a reaction to being treated like a child.
My IL's live abroad, we visit with the DC twice a year. It's fab. MIL doesn't drink but will happily look after the DC and encourages us to relax (and have a drink!) as we don't have any babysitters at home and DH works away a lot. That's why we go twice a year!

Huldra · 17/05/2017 13:27

Conversation

Where's an interesting short walk.
Funny thing dd has done or said. Link it to your husband in some way.
Ask about ingredient in food.

Avoid where is the local wineyard or Eau de Vie specialist store Grin

diddl · 17/05/2017 13:31

I do think though that some people (self included), don't really understand why people drink enough to get drunk & be hungover the next day.

PeaFaceMcgee · 17/05/2017 13:38

You are in their home. If you don't like how things are done then you can always leave.

I can't begin to explain the feelings of terror, disgust and anger that can arise when survivors of living with an alcoholic are forced to encounter such behaviour.

His reassuring her that he's not an alcoholic won't work. It's her fear over loss of control that's at the root of all this.

You have no real idea what she's been through or what she needs to cope every day. I suggest your DH tries listening to her instead of attempting to justify his selfish behaviour.

OhGood · 17/05/2017 13:41

"Any tips on what topics of conversation I can bring up around a silent dinner table?" :)

Brexit how loud do you want it to get?

Quartz2208 · 17/05/2017 13:46

I think you both need to remember though that sitting down and telling her everything will be ok, he is not his Dad and he is not an alcoholic is exactly what she would have been told by her husband.

The fact is in her mind she raised the drinking issue and his response was to drink even more, I would be surprised if that is not exactly like his Dad!

I think you have separate issues here, the food and parenting your MIL is wrong. The drink why exactly did he decide to get so drunk. That is what he needs to decide and talk to his mother about.

expatinscotland · 17/05/2017 13:48

'Any tips on what topics of conversation I can bring up around a silent dinner table?'

Yeah, what time you need to get to the airport for your return flight to the UK.

grannytomine · 17/05/2017 13:54

diddl having brought up 4 kids and had various teenagers lying around after a night out I can't see the attraction either. I've been told it feels like a migraine and I would do anything to avoid one of those.

Fortunately the teenagers who have stayed here have never mooned at me, have managed to get to the loo before vomiting and don't feel the need to sing football songs. I would probably have been less tolerant if they had been so antisocial.

NavyandWhite · 17/05/2017 13:58

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Ecureuil · 17/05/2017 14:00

She's invited them to her holiday home, paid for flights, cooked lovely food for everyone and because the H has behaved like a dick and got wasted has said something

She said something before H got wasted. He got wasted in response to her complaining about them drinking moderately.

NavyandWhite · 17/05/2017 14:05

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RoseandVioletCreams · 17/05/2017 14:06

Op your trying too hard!

Let them bring and worry about chatting!!

Ecureuil · 17/05/2017 14:13

It says in the OP that on day 3 after dinner MIL stood up and asked why they had to drink so much

Yes, OP says she said this when they'd both had a moderate amount to drink (a few gin and tonics)?
DH didn't get wasted and moon round the pool(!) until day 4.

diddl · 17/05/2017 14:16

What has it been like the other times that you have stayed?

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girlywhirly · 17/05/2017 15:19

I'd like to know whether MIL has received (or even sought) any help or counselling for herself because of her former husband's alcoholism. Even if she has in the past, perhaps she could do with some more, because her behaviour and her mistrust will drive her son away and she will be lucky to see her grandchild at all. All the controlling behaviour and treating her son as if he is still a teenager isn't on.

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