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WIBU to tell my parents to grow the fuck up?

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Emboo19 · 14/05/2017 20:39

Really need to rant, so I don't say something I regret!!

Posted about my parents and housing issue before.
Basically I own the house, my parents live there and have done rent free since I was a child.

I've recently moved out, with my boyfriend and our dd.
My parents are supposed to be now paying rent, significantly less than the going rate. And they haven't even managed one month!

My grandparents are sorting it and paying me and my parents are paying them. So I'm not missing out financially, but I'm then having to take money from my retired grandparents, knowing they aren't getting it back.

I know what they earn and they can afford what they're supposed to be paying, in fact my grandfather was only asking them for half for the first 6 months while they get used to it.
When I found out they hadn't paid I spoke to my mum and she was full of excuses, car needed mot, dad needed to do his self assessment tax and then they'd pay it back........

That's annoying enough, then today they come for Sunday lunch and they've booked not one, but two holidays!
And my father, actually had the cheek to say, we could do with more space as my boyfriends music stuff was in the living room.
They live in my four bedroom house Angry

I love my parents and we get on really well. They're great with dd and everything. I just feel so furious with them right now and want to tell them it's time they grow up and start taking responsibility for themselves.

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Original poster
Emboo19 · 15/05/2017 21:30

You mentioned that on my other thread Atenco has it been done that way to avoid inheritance tax for your dd though?

I'm not planning on just chucking my parents out as I've said numerous times. I'm just sick of them not actually making any concrete plans and the more I've spoken to my gp's I've realised just how much help they've had over the years.

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I17neednumbers · 15/05/2017 21:33

Op this has as as a previous poster said created a very difficult family dynamic for you - to be in a position where you may be thinking of evicting your dparents is just, well, not ideal.
Not sure how your dggparents could have organised things differently, but this outcome is not a good one - you're all very financially (and probably emotionally) enmeshed when in fact as a young adult it's time for you to become more detached; you feel responsible for your dparents when usually it's the other way round at this stage;, and as another pp said this may not end well (seems an understatement if you do indeed end up evicting them!).

Anyway - that's the position now. I don't really know what the best answer is - just wanted to express sympathy for your very unusual and not at all easy position.

PortiaCastis · 15/05/2017 21:34

OP doesn't your Mum employ you

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Emboo19 · 15/05/2017 21:41

Yes Portia I work for/with her, not employed on a casual basis. Its not regular work as such, depends how busy she is.

As I've said I get on with my parents very well, which makes this difficult. I don't want this to come between mine and dd's relationship with them.
They aren't bad (can't think of the words I mean) they just seem to live in this bubble of everything will be ok. I quite admire it, I just wish sometimes they'd be more practical.

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yoursforthetalking · 15/05/2017 21:48

The way you keep changing your story is really telling. So now you're working "with" your mum not for her. Is June's thread going to be about how actually it's your business.

I notice you don't address any of the substantive inconsistencies in my post comparing your previous threads to this one. So you aren't even willing to look back on what you said before and what you're saying now, and ask yourself how this story keeps changing and whether you are being truthful yourself not to mention us.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 15/05/2017 22:41

yours the op has responded to your post

MrsPeelyWaly · 16/05/2017 01:01

Yours I think your posts are vindictive and I wouldn't be answering them either.

yoursforthetalking · 16/05/2017 02:59

MrsPeelyWaly: I'm vindictive for pointing out contradictions in her story and saying she's BU as opposed to agreeing with your perspective of yes, go ahead, evict your freeloading parents .... who were living in a house they were given the legal right to live in until she was older... she's not 21 and they've paid all the bills, including all hers, and brought her up in that house." I'm expressing my opinion a) I wouldn't chuck my parents out of the house just because I owned it, and b) her story and facts are all over the map anyway, so who knows what's actually objectively true. Two sides to every story and we've only heard one changing side.

I17neednumbers · 16/05/2017 07:17

"they just seem to live in this bubble of everything will be ok."

And that is perhaps not surprising, as so far it has been! Op, it is hard to know what to suggest you do. Inheritance can have unintended consequences, and this was always an extremely unusual setup for you to be in. I think it is very difficult for you to be put in a position in which evicting your own dparents is even a thinkable outcome! Particularly when you get along well.

Original poster
Emboo19 · 16/05/2017 08:33

I responded to your post your and by working with, I meant I'm not employed by her. It's a casual basis of if she needs a extra pair of hands and if I'm available. Not a set 16 hours a week at minimum wage kind of thing. Again difficult to explain without saying what she does.

Also I'm certain I've never referred to them as freeloading!
And as I've said have no plans to evict them.

I posted this to have a rant as I was annoyed with my parents. And didn't want to say something to them I'd regret!

The housing will stay the same until I finish uni.

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Coneheadmum · 16/05/2017 19:17

Other thread says you work for your mum ten hours a week though OP?

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Emboo19 · 16/05/2017 19:47

Around 10 hours I think I said! Its getting to a busy time of year for her so 10+ hours will be the norm for a while. But it varies by quite a lot and I'm not paid hourly or classed as employed by her.

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fatimashortbread · 16/05/2017 20:16

You could run in and change the locks when they are on one of their holidays Grin After taking appropriate legal advice of course.

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Emboo19 · 16/05/2017 20:24

I'll keep that as my backup plan fatimashortbread
I had a bit of a heart to heart with my mum today and I'm feeling better about it now.

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blogask · 17/05/2017 08:41

If I got something in inheritence , I really wouldn't worry about letting my parents living there rent free... In fact would consider it lucky that they are the reason I got this place to call my own!!

Mise1978 · 17/05/2017 08:59

I remember your original post.

You were left the house (and I think money?) From your Great Grandparent. They knew your parent was terrible with cash. You let your parents live there for free. Etc.

You are not responsible for those two free loaders. Because that is what they are! They've lived rent free for decades.

I remember you were talking about trying to help them in various ways. Please don't. You need to take care of yourself snd your own family. They are so entitled sounding.

It is time for

Give them notice. Put the house on the market or rent it for the correct sum.
Enough is enough.

Mummyoflittledragon · 17/05/2017 14:34

They paid for the extension though, didn't they? So if this is the case, it's not completely true they paid nothing to the house as the extension. has added value to your house.

Icapturethecast1e · 17/05/2017 14:44

Yours parents are not bad people but they are irresponsible. They received an inheritance, lived rent free for x number of years and both worked, yet they haven't got a place to call home. What a great opportunity they had to save money and buy a cheap fixer upper house or flat to receive a rentable income from. When the time came they could have moved into their own home (most likely mortgage free) and would be able to spend their earnings from work on whatever they liked. Its a shame but they let themselves down and should now live with the consequences. So yes they do need to grow up and there is still time for them to do this.

LostSight · 17/05/2017 14:51

You are not responsible for those two free loaders. Because that is what they are! They've lived rent free for decades.

Well yes they have. But if the house had been bequeathed in the normal way (instead of skipping a generation) then they would also have been living rent free for decades and this 'problem' would never have arisen.

Are they maintaining the house and keeping it in good order or are their actions decreasing the value of your inheritance. If they are keeping up the value, then you aren't actually losing anything in real terms. You already have a big advantage over most people in your generation in that you know you will have a large lump sum coming to you, which can't be spent and won't be taken up in care home fees (we may, one day inherit quite a bit, or we may get nothing, that's the way it goes for most people).

I honestly don't know what I would do in your situation, OP, but if they aren't trashing your inheritance, then they aren't really costing you anything.

Atenco · 17/05/2017 14:56

You are not responsible for those two free loaders

What a charming attitude to family relationships you have, Mise. Is this some kind of modernity where the fact that they have been good parents to the OP is totally irrelevant? The OP should cut off this very important relationship with the people who loved and nurtured her all through her childhood, her dd's grandparents, just to get her hands on the cash?

Atenco · 17/05/2017 17:39

OP, I am sorry I was rude about you, earlier, you are young and seeking guidance with a difficult family issue.

What really gets my goat is that so much of the advice here is to screw your parents and throw your relationship with them in the dustbin so that you can get your hands on this significant amount of money. I am beginning to think that the UK culture is going down the drain. You yourself say that they are good parents. So you would really want to think whether you love them or money more. Personally I wouldn't give up the people I love for a million pounds and I don't think anyone who recommends you do so, is a good person.

By the way, that is not saying just hand them over the house. But there has to be some solution that works for you all as a family.

mygorgeousmilo · 18/05/2017 09:05

Interesting. My DH has an almost identical scenario, but it didn't even spring to mind when I first commented on this thread, it's only last night when he mentioned his mum that a lightbulb went on! He, like you, inherited a house in trust as a child (different country) - all other family members got huge cash sums/other property etc. My husband inherited the family home, which everyone eventually grew up left, leaving just MIL. His mum frittered her cash and never really foresaw or had the opportunity to seek another home etc, but really - why should she? That's our way of looking at it, that she is, whatever her manyfaults, his mum. Her home should never really have been given as anyone else's inheritance, even her own son's. She's lucky that it wasn't another sibling or she'd be out on her ear at this stage. Anyway as an adult, as it was owned outright my husband took out a mortgage on it/against it, and bought something else. She has never given my DH a penny and we would never ask her. I see the inheritance as just an accident, poor or random decision making, that should have been done differently IMO. It was good enough for my DH to see it as having had the opportunity to a.) have had a secure home growing up, and that everyone still goes back to for big occasions, with lots of memories, and b.) have had a step up onto the property ladder because of it. Bonus is that his mum doesn't have to worry about having a home. Honestly we don't even think about it, when me and DH discussed it about five years ago, we both agreed that really it's more of an inheritance for our own children, if that - not really for us to hold over anyone's head. It's a fluke, a bonus, we didn't earn it and have no moral right to it really. If/when his mum passes, it will be ours, but right now it's her home.

Atenco · 18/05/2017 10:39

mygorgeousmilo that is a lovely post. Sounds more like the culture here in Mexico.

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Emboo19 · 14/06/2017 18:50

update!

Just wanted to update as I'm quite proud of my parents right now. They've been to the bank and have a mortgage agreement (in principle) my grandad is giving them a deposit (a little bit of a large one) he's been sorting out their finances and inheritance etc anyway though, so it's just my mum getting some of hers now.
And they will, fingers crossed be buying the house. At a slightly reduced rate, as they are my parents after all!

Thank you for the advice and a place to rant and apologies to the later posters that I didn't respond to. Once I'd spoke to my mum, I just wanted a break from talking/thinking about it all, and had meant to come back after a few days to respond and I forgot!

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RebornSlippy · 14/06/2017 19:03

Your Grandfather deserves a medal.