Labour's leaked manifesto

[LovelyBath77]

actually looks pretty good?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39877439

Tory Manifesto:

• leave EU without plan
• kill foxes

oh you can add 'not ruling out cutting PIP in the next parliament' make.
Let's hope they've got something different and better than that when it comes out.

Where on earth do you think the money will come from and do you honestly not see that these are not promises, they are just proposals to get votes?

Make - your username should be "makeupcrapaboutthefuture"!

There are many things on the manifesto that I like and I am sure the majority of people will like but politics isn't about just getting people to like your ideas it's about getting people to trust you can implement those ideas

Yet another of your excellent summaries, enthusiasm

I also wonder if those who say we have to take back control realise that, on the whole, we don't actually have any control, except through those we choose to elect. Or to paraphrase that comment from the infamous Sir Humphrey: "the people can vote against you in five years' time; the cabinet can vote against you this afternoon "

I apologise for my awful cynicism, but isn't it that all parties tend to favour what I call their "client base" once elected? ... and isn't the choice really based on what we each prefer the balance to be?

Also remember that tuition fees started under labour... they aren't your prince charming.

Yep, I was one of the first years to be hit with tuition fees.

I was in the third year of them

but we should also remember that one of the reasons Blair introduced tuition fees is that free university education is a benefit to the middle classes, not the poor. Poor children are failed much earlier on in education and very few get close to university.

If you like free tuition because it's a subsidy to the middle classes, that's accurate. If you somehow are under the misapprehension that free tuition helps poor kids escape their background, by and large it does not. You need to look elsewhere for solutions.

Education levels in Scotland are not raising despite free uni education. They seem to be having falling levels of literacy and numeracy in primary schools instead.

Those who are still saying that labour will borrow the country into ruin - can you please tell me if you're worried about the fact that we (as a country) owe more than we ever have, under the conservative?
Austerity is costing us far more than labour ever has.
So please do tell.....

We may owe more because that's how; debt, interest and running under a budget deficit works, but we have less of a budget deficit now, alot less, and we will hopefully be into a surplus by the time the next Conservative government term ends.

And fees are benefitting the poorer students and encouraging them to go to university?

Nope but free uni places while screwing over primary and secondary students is an odd policy.

Power.To.The.People!

Is that you Worfie Smith?

Tooting Popular Front us alive and well I see...

*Wolfie

Are primary and secondary schools better now that we have higher tuition fees?

Btw I'm against the idea of scrapping tuition fees. I just don't think that one has directly impacted the other.

For the first time in my life I did not vote labour at the last general election as their proposals seemed to be Tory lite. Only the Green Party had anything approaching a sense of social fairness. Well done Jeremy Corbin for going back to Labour principles and giving those who think it's ok to pay a bit more to achieve a more equitable and moral society for all rather than create a massive gap between the haves and have nots under the guise of encouraging individual success. Every one has a valuable role to play in a fair and healthy society at whatever level be it care home worker or company director and for society to characterise those of us in lower paid jobs as wilfully underachieving is madness. A company director can only be successful if they can find people willing to take much lower wages than them to make their company profitable. Not everyone is born with the capacity or opportunity to achieve at the highest levels.If we all aspired to be company directors we'd be in a right mess. A fair, social policy is the sign of a healthy, developed society which allows all to achieve, prosper and contribute, not just those who measure success in monetary terms.

Oops...... giving those..........something to vote for.

If you somehow are under the misapprehension that free tuition helps poor kids escape their background, by and large it does not

Sorry, but I really can't go along with that. I absolutely realise this is a complex issue and that free education isn't the only factor, but where the will exists to take advantage of it, I'm convinced that education remains one of the more effective routes out of deprivation

It could though. Don't scrap tuition fees, but do increase spending on primary and secondary education - there is only so much money and repealing tuition fees isn't where I'd vote for money to be spent.

If scotland implemented tuition fees then redirected all the raised fees into primary and secondary education wouldn't there be a chance that overall educations would rise?

Benefit the many rather than just the few?

Tooting Popular Front us alive and well I see...

It's a shame the lack of a Tory housing policy means poor Wolfie couldn't afford Tooting these days.

Well done Jeremy Corbin for going back to Labour principles and giving those who think it's ok to pay a bit more to achieve a more equitable and moral society for all rather than create a massive gap between the haves and have nots under the guise of encouraging individual success. Every one has a valuable role to play in a fair and healthy society at whatever level be it care home worker or company director and for society to characterise those of us in lower paid jobs as wilfully underachieving is madness. A company director can only be successful if they can find people willing to take much lower wages than them to make their company profitable. Not everyone is born with the capacity or opportunity to achieve at the highest levels.If we all aspired to be company directors we'd be in a right mess. A fair, social policy is the sign of a healthy, developed society which allows all to achieve, prosper and contribute, not just those who measure success in monetary terms.

All that need be said really. Thank you!

I think the problem is that people disagree over what 'fair' actually means.