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Labour's leaked manifesto

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LovelyBath77 · 11/05/2017 10:11

actually looks pretty good?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39877439

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Guepe · 11/05/2017 20:06

I was going to vote LD, but it'll be Labour now.

SeaWitchly · 11/05/2017 20:09

And don't be so defeatist... If people vote for Labour they will get in.
Let's all wait for the manifesto costings and financial plan in full.

I believe that nationalising the railway is not going to happen immediately for example, that this will take place over a prescribed period of time.

SeaWitchly · 11/05/2017 20:16

Yep, lets vote them in and wait with bated breath while they deliver .....
Or meanwhile let's all just vote the Tories in again and get more of the same. A failed austerity plan, reductions in essential public services,
[because they can't be afforded due to said austerity 'plan'], politicians who are hand in hand with big business and seek to benefit from this once they leave office a la the right honourable David Cameron and Gideon Osborne...
Or we could listen with an open mind to what the Labour Party are saying and withold judgement until we have given it a full and fair hearing.

dontcallmelen · 11/05/2017 20:31

Some really excellent posts, I just so wish more people would be open to thinking that the torys are not the party of good financial management, I don't understand why labour have not hammered this point, plus the stripping of education budget the dire & frankly dangerous state of social care/ NHS.
The only reason conservatism had some prosperity under Thatcher was due to the stripping of assets that we all owned i.e. Rail/utilities etc etc.
I am not particularly keen on Corbyn, but this manifesto has given my heart a little lift & I truly hope it will bring some labour voters back to the fold & sway some into giving labour their vote.

ExplodedCloud · 11/05/2017 20:35

And oil. The oil was responsible for propping up the Thatcher years.

dontcallmelen · 11/05/2017 20:47

Exploded yy the oil forgot about that.

CaptainBrickbeard · 11/05/2017 21:10

I don't know why people are more terrified of the tax hikes causing economic problems than they are of the NHS being destroyed. The worst case scenario people are envisaging with Labour isn't anywhere near as bad as the worst case scenario of the Tories - and a hard Brexit will destroy our economy and send businesses overseas far more than raising corporation tax.

Labour have won me back, entirely. The Tories will cost us the NHS and their vision of Brexit is utterly destructive and reckless. I don't know how anyone can argue that they are good for the economy at all.

missymayhemsmum · 11/05/2017 22:29

I think it's great, and of course we can afford it. Things this country can't afford..
Billionaires,
Tax dodging corporations
Catastrophic climate change,
child poverty
No social care.

Lets take back control! Of our economy, our public services, our housing and our education from unelected foreign businesses, private academy trusts, and crap outsourcing firms run by mates of the cabinet.

Properjob · 11/05/2017 23:09

Oh this has livened up since this morning!! Please, don't vote labour if another candidate can get the Tories out. This government is scarily right wing. The NHS is hanging on by a thread and WILL be privatised and sold off to foreign companies. Are you aware our blood plasma service is already owned by the Chinese?? Wake up women, this is our children's lives that are at stake. Please get the Tories out.

Valentine2 · 11/05/2017 23:21

Please, don't vote labour if another candidate can get the Tories out.

^ This x 100.

Cocklodger · 11/05/2017 23:41

Those who are still saying that labour will borrow the country into ruin - can you please tell me if you're worried about the fact that we (as a country) owe more than we ever have, under the conservative?
Austerity is costing us far more than labour ever has.
So please do tell.....

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 00:09

stop making what we all grew up enjoying

You assume everyone grew up at the same time.....

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 00:11

owe more than we ever have

As a % of GDP I'm not sure that is true.

user1471545174 · 12/05/2017 00:22

I was particularly impressed by the suggestion of a 7% corporation tax rise at the very time Britain is such an attractive prospect because of Brexit Hmm

NoLotteryWinYet · 12/05/2017 01:31

Valentine, David Blanchflower resigned after this because he couldn't work with Corbyn and his team - he wrote about it subsequent to the article you linked to:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/02/i-advised-jeremy-corbyn-economics-team-learn-fast--no-credible-plan-labour-leadership

Penners99 · 12/05/2017 05:18

That manifesto has confirmed Tory rule for the next 20 years, or longer.

notquiteruralbliss · 12/05/2017 05:50

I really like it. And I'm one of the people who would be paying more tax to fund it. Labour have my vote. They have ambition for the country. I am v happy with what they want to invest in. It beats another few years of austerity.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 12/05/2017 07:54

Valentine, David Blanchflower resigned after this because he couldn't work with Corbyn and his team - he wrote about it subsequent to the article you linked to:

Exactly. an inconvenient truth for some

That manifesto has confirmed Tory rule for the next 20 years, or longer.

Yes and they will blame everyone and everything but the leader.

NoLotteryWinYet · 12/05/2017 07:56

i wish we had better choices - I've been reading up on the impact of the disability policy changes and it is terrible stuff - with a cut to PIP being rumoured too.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 12/05/2017 07:58

There are many things on the manifesto that I like and I am sure the majority of people will like but politics isn't about just getting people to like your ideas it's about getting people to trust you can implement those ideas

This extra tax is going an awfully long way and that has to be sustained and just raising the tax for high earners isn't going to raise that much money

The raising the tax for business when Brexit looms and other countries are inticing business away doesn't seem to have been addressed

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 12/05/2017 08:00

Or even enticing business away ...

Two4One2017 · 12/05/2017 08:03

*This extra tax is going an awfully long way and that has to be sustained and just raising the tax for high earners isn't going to raise that much money

The raising the tax for business when Brexit looms and other countries are inticing business away doesn't seem to have been addressed*

^This

I agree. No mention of how Brexit will be handled, which will be the single most important thing to happen to our country in the next 5 years. Leaving the single market and then increasing the tax and regulatory burden for business excessively (ie. corporation tax by one third), might just be the straw that breaks the camel's back, especially for the financial services sector.... which of course has a high proportion of those lovely higher rate tax payers that are also being targeted.

Mumsnut · 12/05/2017 11:36

It's an e-mail from Nigeria

makeourfuture · 12/05/2017 11:50

Power.To.The.People!