To want to counter these lies?

[MrsRuby]

AIBU to want to counteract the lies I keep reading on here?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

He's been an mp for 34 years, always voted on his principals, never been involved in scandal, claims a pittance in expenses, lives in his constituency, voted in as leader of his party by a large majority twice, has been responsible for a huge surge in party members, elicits genuine interest and support from the public, can debate and speak publicly without scripted answers.

The NHS is too big to be saved/where is the money coming from.
Conservatives bailed bankers out with 180 billion. 30 billion is needed to 'save' NHS. The money is there and can be costed through taxing top 5% of earners (see below). That's only people earning over 80k (not 40k or 55k or any other number I've seen on this site. Anyone earning over 80k - again that's just the top 5% of earners in this country) will have to pay a LITTLE bit more tax). Here is a break down of many other policies and how they will be paid for;

✔️Labour will reverse the Tory Party cut in Corporation Tax saving the UK Taxpayer £64 billion over a parliamentary cycle (OBR)

✔️Free School Meals for children aged 4-11, costing £900m which will be raised by placing VAT on Independent Schools which will raise £1.1bn+

✔️£10 per hour Minimum Wage for all over 18 years benefiting 5.5m workers, paid for by the private sector firms, and savings in reduced Working Tax Credit payments

✔️A 17% increase in the unpaid carers’ allowance worth £500 a year, paid for by reversing the recent Inheritance Tax cut
Renationalise the Railways, which will cost nothing because we’ll take railways into public ownership as franchises lapse

✔️Halt the tender of NHS contracts to private health, phasing out the £48bn given to private health since 2010. This will save taxpayers between £3.5bn-£5bn in reduced profits paid to private health

✔️Build 200,000 homes a year, half from the private sector at zero cost to the taxpayer. The rest would be Council Homes paid for by giving Councils the power to borrow against existing assets. Consequently, the UK’s £12bn Housing Benefit bill to private landlords would start to fall.

✔️Introduce 4 new public holidays per year that BoE say would be cost neutral due to increased expenditure by the public on those days off, £2.3bn.

✔️End Zero Hour Jobs by guaranteeing any worker on regular hours a contract. This carries zero cost to the taxpayer.

✔️A ban on companies based in tax havens, or those who pay their CEOs more than £350,000, bidding for government contracts. This carries no cost to the taxpayer.

✔️Halt the opening of new Free Schools and new Grammars which will save the taxpayer money as NAO says Free Schools cost double what was originally intended.

✔️Ban ‘sweetheart’ deals between the HMRC & Multi-Corps and make the big firms publish their tax returns. This will increase tax revenue because it becomes harder for firms to hide profits.

✔️Eradicate the Gender Pay Gap by making firms publish their pay differentials between men & women. This will increase UK tax revenue from higher wages.

✔️Labour will cut Business Rates for small businesses by £1.5bn, and end Multi-Corps paying SMEs."

Iraq war.
Historic. Not Jeremy Corbyn. He voted against it.

IRA.
Historic. JC publicly tried to broker peace talks. Same as Thatcher (who lied and said she wasn't but did in secret).

What else have you got?

So AIBU and how?

Why would you start a thread talking about how you want to counteract lies and then put massive lies in your OP?

Aaaah, but if you put massive patronising ticks in your post it automatically makes everything true.

I think you're trying to convince yourself.

In truth, he's the one that needs to convince the millions. He has 4 weeks to turn it around. He's polling at 30% which is shambolic

I was thinking of voting conservative...but I can't vote to rip innocent foxes apart.so that's out...I've never voted labour..tony Blair killed it for me....but this thread might get me thinking of alternatives...can't read it all now.but will do later.

Swing voters in marginal constituencies who the Labour Party absolutely need to win the election, will not vote for JC. They just won't. He's too marmite. He's perceived as too left-wing by them, and all that on-line bickering between different LP factions calling more centerist LP voters "red tories" won't have disabused them of this idea. Nor will photo opportunities of front-benchers standing in front of giant red-flags. (That's a bit of an, er, um, red flag for most left-of-centre voters).

And no wonder most over 40s won't vote for him either, we remember the IRA and Militant Tendency; and are watching history repeat itself. Welcome back to the wilderness years. No doubt you can find yourself a leader that those vital voters WILL vote for, while we're getting sick of the Conservatives.

Is that you, Jeremy?

I like JC, and would consider voting labour for the first time ever simply because he won't take us into war and he sticks up for Palestine.

The tax on private school fees to pay for free school meals is a ridiculous policy though. The vast majority of children don't need free school meals, there is no good reason why parents who are able to shouldn't pay for the food their own children need to eat. And taxing education is an unfair attack on people who probably already pay a fair share of tax, and who are already saving the country money.

I also don't see how the minimum wage can be raised for all over 18's with only the private sector paying for it. Does that mean that those of us who work for charities or the public sector don't deserve that wage increase, or will more of us be just be made redundant because the schools, nurseries and hospitals that employ us won't be able to afford our wages? Policies like this, which don't give any real explanation, just make them look silly.

I'm still waiting for the OP to counteract any lies. I haven't seen anything other than a list of policies.

As I said upthread, Labour should have been able to walk this election. The ammunition they have against the Conservatives is immense. They will be decimated, however. Left-leaning, pro-EU types such as me cannot vote for them with JC at the helm. Anyone who believes the UK has a role globally, intervening in situations such as the Balkans crisis cannot vote for them.
My Facebook feed was on fire the other day with venom for Theresa May's support for fox hunting. All I could think was that at least she's saying it will be a free vote, unlike Corbyn's coercion of his party over Article 50. I despise fox hunting, but Jesus in the scheme of things it's nothing compared to the shit storm Brexit is causing and will continue to cause for generations, both here and on mainland Europe.
Oh, but we'll all get four extra days holiday!

I agree with the poster who said opinions are not fact and therefore can't be lies.

I also think those policies (like most parties) are just pretty words without real thought or substance behind them.

I really don't get the worship pr love for any of the parties or leaders. Not only are they all flawed in their own ways but it's like people have become acolytes, unable to see the flaws.

The foxhunting stuff is pointless. The Tories promised a free vote in a previous manifesto and the vote never happened, so it's merely keeping in something they've had before. And it's a free vote which even Tory MPs have said won't get sufficient support to overturn the ban. They can do it though and say "look, we keep to our manifesto pledges...."

Everyone is forgetting those who didn't vote last time, or the time before etc etc since Tony Blair removed any real choice. Those people are an unknown quantity - and I was one of them. Every other election since the early 80s has been a choice between more of the same - all working for the benefit of the super-rich. hey get away with it by pretending to the masses that 'this is you' (the middle-classes, who are supposed to share the aspirational ideals of the super-rish, even if it sees them shooting themselves in the foot), or 'this is what you could be' (the poor, who are told that if they work hard, they too can be super-rich - except for those scroungers and immigrants who keep ruining it for them).

Jeremy Corbyn doesn't court the press because he knows there's no point. The press doesn't serve the people, it serves its masters. Corbyn is a man of principle, he would try his best to serve the people. It's a shame that isn't enough for some people - whilst apparently an unprincipled person with no empathy, who would take the country to hell in a handcart if it meant another contract for her husband, is absolutely fine and dandy. Strong and stable is standing firm when the Blair-imported right-wingers try to bring you down. Strong and stable is never stooping to their level. Strong and stable is doing what you genuinely believe to be right for most people, even though you know the media will absolutely slaughter you for it.

Christmas But he can't LEAD. He has appointed a mostly inept shadow front bench because most of his MPs won't work with him. He voted against his own party and leaders more times than I've had hot dinners but seemingly expects his party now to follow his lead and not behave like he did.

ChristmasFluff - Corbyn hasn't served the people yet (unless you can find anything he's done in his 34 years). What makes you think he's going to start now? He's more worried about his 4 day weeks, days in lieu and lunch breaks.

Corbyn is so bound to his principles that he has denied the country a decent opposition, and is about to hand the Conservatives a landslide majority.

Principles can be very admirable, but there are times when pragmatism is what is needed for the greater good.

I came on this thread because I thought it was about smear campaigns by an ex - something I have experience of. I found that there was no point fighting the smears, because it just reinforced people's prejudices against me. Instead, a wise person suggested I just smile and say, 'oh, he said that did he? Oh well, consider the source...' I've just realised this might be what Jeremy Corbyn is doing, on a much larger scale.

The vast majority of children don't need free school meals, there is no good reason why parents who are able to shouldn't pay for the food their own children need to eat.

I might be wrong but I think the FSM's for all primary aged children is to do with tackling childhood obesity, which supposedly should save money in the future due to a decrease in health related problems.

Haven't RTFT, but I am beginning to wonder if Momentum is instructing its supporters to start endless threads on MN about how Jeremy is like the best thing EVAH and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.

ShatnersWig (nice name! I have a tribble - is it the same thing?) If he can't lead, how did he defy those attempts to oust him as leader? He just isn't leading people who don't want him there anyway. AlThePrettySeahorses - it isn't about power for him, it is about doing what he believes to be right. And that means that he has been on the right side of history in the end - over apartheid, over the Iraq war for example. Imagine if he'd been leader then? ComputerUser, what is the point of a 'strong' opposition that believes the same as the other side?

Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable/ a shambles/ can't lead.

If he's so good at leading, why do the PLP all hate him, then?

Why do so many Labour candidates feel that the only way they will have a chance at re-election is to parade their opposition to their own party leader?

My ideal election result would be a Labour landslide, except the LibDems/Greens surprise majority in both Islington North and Hayes and Harlington.

In actual fact, I think he's screwed whatever, and this whole election was a master-stroke on the part of the Tories and New Labour. If he wins (which I believe he will), he'll have to deal with the dog's breakfast of Brexit which the Tories are keen to swerve, and all the sequelae will get blamed on socialism, Tories back next election, and death of any power for the people for a generation. If he loses, he'll be out, and Labou becomes New Labour again, and ditto, see above. I'm a little ray of sunshine this morning, aren't I? :-)

And to the question how do you explain the brain drain from labour... Well some were sheep not brains and some are still , IMHO, being manipulated by Blair. It's young MPs like the brilliant Rebecca Long Bailey who are the future. If you haven't heard her speak check her out on last weeks QT.

And , if JC is so absolutely useless why won't TM debate with him and why is the BBC so biased in its reporting ? Why is the Daily mail et al doing a hatchet job. Surely if he is so bad you let him speak and he will do their job for them.

And , if JC is so absolutely useless why won't TM debate with him and why is the BBC so biased in its reporting ? Why is the Daily mail et al doing a hatchet job. Surely if he is so bad you let him speak and he will do their job for them.

Quite!

why is the BBC so biased in its reporting
Yeah, every time it does to this: people only think Jeremy is useless because of the wicked biased meedja.

Because, obviously, none of us can reach our own conclusions by listening to him at PMQs, and listening to and watching his assorted sidekicks.

Seriously, this whole conversation is so circular that I'm going to go and do some housework because it's more fun.

And I hate housework.