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AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

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lubeybooby · 10/05/2017 15:51

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

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MissBax · 10/05/2017 18:14

Nowwhatsthis how many people hunt for their food??

Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 18:16

Orlandointhewilderness

How would you feel if I let loose a pack of hounds on you while you run for your life. Imagine I have a gun too.
I always say that only a disgrace of a human being will kill for sport.

Nowwhatsthis · 10/05/2017 18:16

MissBax probably not a lot of people. It is still the most humane way to get meat. So how if you eat meat can you be against killing animals?

I realise that you are a vegan, but it still shouldn't come as a surprise that other people are ok with animals dying so we can eat.

Kursk · 10/05/2017 18:21

MissBax

I hunt for my food

LakieLady · 10/05/2017 18:21

Fox hunting is despicable and the people who do it are not only bloodthirsty bastards but arrogant cunts as well.

My DSS manages a 40 acre wood. The owner does not want hunting on her land. For the 3rd winter running, they have ripped down the fences put up to keep them out of the wood. They have also destroyed young trees, causing damage costing several hundreds of pounds, by riding through recently planted areas.

Last winter they excelled themselves by nailing the body of a dead fox to a tree. That was a lovely sight for his 2-year old daughter to see when walking in the wood on a winter morning.

I hate them with a vengeance.

MissBax · 10/05/2017 18:22

Nowwhatsthis I agree that IF people are going to eat meat it's the most humane way. But thays not what this post is about?? It's about hunting for sport.

GinAndTalented · 10/05/2017 18:24

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Valentine2 · 10/05/2017 18:26

It is not psychopathic. Pretending it is does a disservice to the actual condition.

I am saying this the third time on this thread I think: how about we put you in place of the fox and then ask your opinion right before you take your last breath?

lizzyj4 · 10/05/2017 18:28

I live in quite a traditional rural area. A lot of people here support fox hunting - arguments include that it is an important rural industry and supports many jobs, and that it is an important part of our culture, etc, etc.

I don't personally support fox hunting, I think the job argument, which is the only potentially valid one imho, is seriously over-stated. However, I know many people who do support it and none of them have shown any sign of being psychopaths. (Way to stop any hope of reasoned discussion, btw,, demonise the people who don't agree with you. Confused ) Most of them are also ordinary country people and not at all 'posh'.

GinAndTalented · 10/05/2017 18:38

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MissBax · 10/05/2017 18:40

It is not psychopathic - it's not exactly sane though is it? To kill an animal for fun?

Sillysausage123 · 10/05/2017 18:51

Why is it though that the majority of Tories support fox hunting?

MissBax · 10/05/2017 18:59

silly - because they like to ruin the lives of those they deem weaker than themselves.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 10/05/2017 19:00

The fox will have experienced freedom
Ah yes, this reminds me of an old collegue I worked with who was pro hunting. When we were talking about bull fighting he couldn't see the problem because the "bull had a nice life and only 1 shit day before it was killed" as though torturing an animal before killing it was fine provided it had a nice life first. My philosophy is give the animal the "nice life" and kill it as quickly and humanely as possible without stabbing it a few times with darts first.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 10/05/2017 19:02

You can say the same about people who eat meat from factory farms. Or people who eat meat at all. Killing is killing

It's not as simple as saying "Killing is killing" though, HildaOg. OK, if I said I was going to kill you would you rather I chased you for hours with my hounds (whilst you got more and more scared and exhausted), before they eventually killed you, or would you prefer me to put a bullet in your head whilst you weren't expecting it? See the difference? I know I'd definitely go for the bullet if it was my death.

WhatALoadOfOldBollocks · 10/05/2017 19:05

How would you propose to kill them humanely op?
I'm not the OP but I've watched an ex gamekeeper "queak a fox down" to within rifle range. He made a sound like an injured rabbit and within minutes a fox appeared at the top of the field. We had to stay down wind and out of sight and it came close enough that if he'd wanted to he could've cleanly shot it. Simple, effective and humane should one feel the need to kill a fox.

Would all be good if when a fox breaks in to a chicken hutch, they ate them instead of killing them all, ripping them up then leaving without eating anything
I just knew someone would say that. Foxes are opportunist hunters that exhibit caching behaviour, and will take full advantage of an "all you can eat buffet" ie hen house full of chickens. So it will kill as many as it can whilst it has the opportunity. Then what it will do is remove them one by one (it can only carry one at a time) and take them to its territory where it will bury the surplus for later. However, what tends to happen is that we hear the commotion and run out, which scares the fox off. Then we remove the corpses so don't get to see the caching behaviour.

Enidblyton1 · 10/05/2017 19:07

Apparently only half the British population support the ban on fox hunting! (You gov survey 2015). 33% oppose a ban and the rest said 'don't know'. But I guess we know that Mumsnet isn't a representative sample of the population.

I don't see anything wrong with a load of people dressing up and riding horses/dogs over fields. Without ever being involved myself, I always thought it served a purpose of keeping the fox population under control. But if thats not true, then I don't see why they can't just use a decoy fox?

SquatBetty · 10/05/2017 19:13

I note that no hunters have answered my question about how do you feel watching the fox being ripped apart by the hounds?

But then I didn't think you would.

caffeinequick · 10/05/2017 19:14

It's disgusting, completely agree.

Debinaround · 10/05/2017 19:17

Signed the petition.

JaxingJump · 10/05/2017 19:19

I never saw a fox caught Squat. But the last time I hunted I was 12. But I wouldn't have blinked at seeing it, it's conditioning. And growing up around farms you see lots of gross stuff.

JaxingJump · 10/05/2017 19:20

Enid, there is plenty of drag hunts but if the dogs get the scent a real fox can equally become the target.

NataliaOsipova · 10/05/2017 19:25

I note that no hunters have answered my question about how do you feel watching the fox being ripped apart by the hounds?

Disclaimer - I am not a supporter of fox hunting and think it's all rather grim. But I do know some very "country" people (not posh at all, by the way) who support it. I think they see foxes as vermin, pure and simple - and in a country context, foxes can be the bane of their lives (killing chickens and livestock etc), so they are completely unsentimental about the fox and really wouldn't bother about how it died. That's the impression I got, anyway. (They all think me rather strange as I refused to go and watch the hunt off from the pub!)

Beerwench · 10/05/2017 19:29

Can I ask a genuine question?

Is people's main issue the 'posh people on horses" or the actual animal cruelty?

Because if it's the animal cruelty you also need to turn your attention to the hunt Sab movement.

I was once driven at, had my horses teeth practically pulled out by a sab hauling on his reins, called obscenities (including posh cunt) surrounded and myself and my horse terrified for a good mile ON A ROAD before I managed to get away from them.

My crime? I happened to be hacking out on a day the hunt were due in the area, in a white T-shirt, and black jacket and jods (not hunting attire) the sabs were lying in wait for the hunt (which were some miles off still at that point, could hear the hounds and horn). They thought I was a front runner and decided to attack me, despite telling them I was just out on my old lad for a plod! I was a lying posh murdering scumbag apparently.
Never been hunting in my life and I don't support it, but that day a lot of the anti hunt movement lost my support as well, I've seen a few videos of sabs behaving the same way.
If you're passionate about animals fair enough, but don't hide behind that to justify behaviour when actually it's because you view people who hunt as 'posh' and it's that you hate.
The sabs are as psychopathic as the hunters, it's just a class war dressed up as animal welfare most of the time. The sabs are being as cruel but are applauded by the general anti hunt population.

And by the way, I work a min wage job, don't smoke, drink or anything else really because I want to keep my horse. I'm not posh, a snob or anything like that.

MakChoon · 10/05/2017 19:30

Yabu. They're not psychopaths they just have a different perspective to you (and me).

Like PPs have said fox hunting is a billion times less cruel than what goes on for the poor cows, pigs and chickens in factory farms... but most people don't consider meat eaters to be psychopaths.

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