AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

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the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

There are no people who rampage against any other equine sports - not even the really posh ones like dressage and whatever. There are no movements against just the keeping and riding of horses - it is the pointless hunting and killing of an animal the are against. To claim some sort of inverse snobbery is just crass.

It's inexcusable. It's not sport. It's not ok. Don't need to use many words, it's not necessary.

Shoes - yes, however so do sabs. My first post about 20 pages ago details my brush with sabs whilst being close though not involved with a hunt. As I don't follow I had no idea they were meeting and met with sabs heading the hunt off a few miles away.
As a horse person I also follow sites/publications that have horse related news, a year or maybe 2 ago a child fell from her horse and died, whilst hunting. People felt that it was OK to say she deserved it, call her a murderer etc on comments - that's not OK. No matter how she died.
I also recall a sab knocked over by horses deliberately, and quite badly injured and pro hunters saying he deserved it - also not OK.
Shoes are you the poster with horses? (Genuinely can't remember) because if you are you'd know dragging a horse around by it's reins hurts their mouth, and dragging a rider off also hurts their backs, and the process will likely upset the average horse too - not OK.
Hunt sabs are not saints and they are not the actions of a few, but they seem to be defended because they are a few and hunting is worse.
If hunting were banned all together then sabs wouldn't have anything to disrupt, o agree, but the situation is that it's not banned (in theory yes buy drag hunting exists and is protested) and it's not OK to condone hurting one animal in the defense of another.
And the class thing does have a bearing, I live on the edge of hunting country but it's in general, a deprived area. The day I ran into sabs I was called posh fox killing scum and this carries through to everyday life, being in the horse world I do know people who hunt, they are no better off than me. Just perceived as so because they have a horse (as I do) and hunt (as I don't)
That is borne out by the comments like 'posh people on horses and 'drinkie winkies'

If you're against animal cruelty you can't condone it in some circumstances and not in others, that's hypocrisy.

Sabs don't set out to harm any animal for the sheer pleasure of it - hunts do. That is the bottom line.

The killing of an animal is the hunt.

Yes exactly that 'shoes'

'Beerwench' fuck class, fuck you being called posh. You weren't ripped apart by a pack of dogs led by humans and horses for fun.

It's unbelievable anyone would excuse the cruelty.

" not even the really posh ones like dressage and whatever. There are no movements against just the keeping and riding of horses - it is the pointless hunting and killing of an animal the are against "

they wouldn't get away with disrupting a dressage competition would they?

Of course they would - the fact is they don't - because people aren't objecting to horses - they're objecting to animal cruelty and killing.

People have managed to disrupt the house of commons with various protests - what makes you think they wouldn't get away with objecting to dressage? They just don't.

Antigonejones - you're a bit of a twat. You don't get that it's disgusting to rip apart an animal, let alone in a very painful way to satisfy mans requirement for heritage and apparent sadistic fun.
I do not eat meat. But I also do not eat soya. Your earlier comment was ignorant.

"Where is your outrage for hunters deliberately killing animals for sport?"

It's there, however I've got caught up in the argument that seemingly I can't not support hunting, but also not support the methods used by disrupting hunts by sabbing, without being told I'm ridiculous. That's what I object to and trying to put across.
In actual fact, I had a rather glamorous view of hunting as a child, the hounds, horses and all of it were described in such wonderful details by the books I read, written by pro hunt authors. I think it was around 10/11 I came to the realisation of what 'and they caught the fox and went home for tea' actually meant. I re-read those books and my own sense of right and wrong queried the morality of hunting a fox with hounds for hours on end for it to be ripped apart. I researched a bit, and ultimately did a project on it at school. Utterly horrified that if a fox gets to it's den, then terriers are sent in to flush it out again. That cubs are 'scattered' and sometimes killed, to make hunting better before they are old enough. That some country estates keep dens, and even feed and encourage foxes so to have them where they want them to hunt. That's not essential culling, that's enabling a sport that is cruel.
That was many moons ago now, but I still think it's wrong. I don't think the ban should be lifted, and I think drag hunting should be phased out, stop breeding the hounds as much, stop replacing workers as they leave or retire. If redundancy is good enough for factory workers etc, then it's good enough for hunt staff IMO.
Having those views on hunting however does not blind me to the methods employed by sabs, it would seem I'm a minority.

*"Heebejeebees

'Beerwench' fuck class, fuck you being called posh. You weren't ripped apart by a pack of dogs led by humans and horses for fun.

It's unbelievable anyone would excuse the cruelty.*"

Haven't excused anything. But because I have said that sabs hurt animals and this is wrong, even though they are defending another animal, I'm now being accused of excusing hunting because of the sabs methods. I'm not, I'm saying both are wrong. But it's just easier to jump on the bandwagon than agree that someone can not agree with hunting, but also not agree with other animals being hurt in the attempt to stop it, and not think sabs are hero's but hypocrites.

No it's not a sport and it's not OK, I agree shoes, but my 'so many words' are in answer to your comments/questions on my posts. No one is forced to read them.

AntigoneJones - you just typed THIS!!

'see that is what I mean - an awful lot of people just hate people who ride horses, because they perceive them as rich. That is why you said, 'drinkie winkies' instead of drink. Well it just makes you sound silly tbh.
Besides it is not even like that around here. that is why the local uni hunt sabs used to drive 300 miles in a union funded minibus, to find people hunting that didn't scare them.
Pussies that cared so much about the fox that they didn't care about hurting horses or people. Some kind of class warfare day out.'

You may be the most intellectually inferior person I've encountered lately. For the record, I like riding horses, I have done or maybe twice ever, I do not like fox hunting. I know many people similar. I don't eat meat.

I'm not working, middle or upper class. You sound like a prick defining stuff. Do you have a job? Family? Life?

Beerwench - Sabs would not exist, if it not for devil sporn hunters. Give all the long winded examples you want. I think the hunters position is indefensible.

Yes Hebee, I've already said that.
But the fact is they do, and animals are hurt in their quest to stop the hunt - deliberately by pulling reins, riders off etc.

The fact I refuse to condone those actions does not mean I condone hunting.
Do my long winded examples are really neither here nor there, you seem to be condoning the horses/hounds being hurt, all be it as collateral damage, because the sabs wouldn't exist if the hunt didn't? I'm sure the horses remember that when they're being dragged about by the reins.

No beerwench, incidents like you describe are few and far between and would not exist full stop if hunting didn't. Defending the indefensible

You've just repeated what I already answered. It's not OK to hunt foxes for sport. You can bang on all you like that sabs wouldn't exist if the hunt didn't, it doesn't change the reality that both do, and the sabs attempt to stop it - by hurting and distressing other animals. BOTH are indefensible and a refusal to accept that is hypocrisy.

It shouldn't? Even though I've been personally affected by the actions of a 'few individuals' you've obviously missed the post I made about what I encountered from so called animal lovers when I was nothing to do with the hunt, and the other places where I say that I haven't been, don't want to go and don't think it's a particularly effective way of fox population control - if indeed that is needed (have added that last sentence here)

I did see your post, yes. You have spectacularly missed my point. Of course the sabs who hurt horses and riders are wrong. Of course they are hypocrites. But they are not representative of the vast majority of people who oppose fox hunting. Am I a hypocrite for opposing it because somebody totally unconnected to me assaults horses and riders during the course of a protest that I didn't even attend? Of course not.

The point I was making, is that it's ridiculous to form your opinion on the morality of an activity (in this case fox hunting) because you don't like the way a small number of people campaign against it. Two wrongs don't make a right. So you were against the idea of a fox ripped to shreds by hounds, but then you saw a sab pull a rider off a horse and you thought "actually, he's a bit of a twat so I've changed my mind and I think fox hunting is alright now". You should be capable of separating those two issues.

i'm actually very glad that this fox hunting thing came up.
Public can ignore the disabled or the homeless, but this shit STINKS big time. And hopefully people will see who the real vermin are

So only riders on a hunt have the ability? Is that it? Is it the red coats and the horns

No one has said that. But you need to be able to ride across country well, in order to follow hounds. I hunt with a Vale pack, my husband is a master. If we couldn't ride well enough to jump 20/30 hedges/gates/walls in a day, we couldn't hunt.

There are no people who rampage against any other equine sports - not even the really posh ones like dressage and whatever

You can't profess to knowing what you're talking about and then come out with shit like that.

Dressage gets a massive draw back from Rollkur, it's always on H&H.

Racing is constantly being attacked by AR activists and people in general who, again, don't really know what they are on about.

I've been hunting for 27 years and not once have I seen a "fox ripped to shreds" by hounds. Not once. I hunt to ride to hounds, to get my horses out over decent country and to keep them fit for eventing.

Frilly"Horsey"Knickers - just for clarity, are you saying your hunt has never caught and killed a fox in 27 years?

No, apologies if that is how it read. I am saying a) the first would not usually have seen a kill, and b) hounds do not and have never "ripped foxes to shreds".

• field not first.

a) Your hunt kills animals for sport.

b) Yes hounds do/have.

hounds do not and have never "ripped foxes to shreds"

That's interesting. One of the pro hunters on this thread actually said that the hounds are allowed to eat the fox (which we obviously all know anyway). How exactly do they share it round? Does one get out a carving knife and they all queue patiently for their turn?

Shoes - all the way along this thread you have cherry picked your arguments to suit your point. I'm sorry to labour the point but your posts firmly put you in the category of "not having a fucking clue".

Have a nice day at the riding school 🙄