AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

[lubeybooby]

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

Cats kill wild birds. If you gave them half a chance they'd kill your pet rabbit/bird/fish. So what about if a group of 30 teenage lads wearing hoodies and bandannas with a pack of staffies chase a cat until it's exhausted, let the staffies maul it and post it all over the Internet. If anyone complains they can reply, do you eat meat? So no one has the right to comment or complain because they'd be being a hypocrite

Yep that's exactly how it works fueled ...apparently

Dumb isn't it

Ratatatouille

As a fiercely pro fox hunter and a supporter of the Conservative party - I completely agree with you - this is the most inappropriate time to ever bring something as trivial as the Hunting Act to the table when we are sat in the midst of Brexit negotiations which will shape ours and our own children's futures. Even removing that, there are far more pressing items on the agenda than fox hunting.

The Act needs rewriting (for both parties, even if it is to remain an illegal activity) but the government should be focussing absolutely no priority on doing that at the present time.

Thank you Ratatouille Interesting how a couple of pro hunt have fallen off the radar when presented with facts.

Or they've been busy?

were you talking about me, beyond? Rat made some good points. but I just got bored of the topic and have other things to do. Rat hasn't changed my opinion.

Beyondworried I stopped posting a long time ago because what's the point? I'm pro fox hunting and you're anti. We could present each aspect of the argument (and there is evidence to counter either side) and I'll still be pro and you will still hate it.

It would be boring if we all shared the same opinion. So I'm out.

Actually, it would be rather nice and humane if we all shared the same opinion on fox hunting. Fewer animals ripped apart by hounds for "sport".

I just got bored of the topic and have other things to do Riiiight 😂

At least you lasted longer than those particularly flakey few at the start who made one post each and then couldn't hack a discussion so "won't post again as there'd be no point". In your case Antigone you just need to spend about 2 minutes on Google to get some of your "facts" straight. Nowt to do with opinions.

Chill out Rat, there's 'nowt' to get upset about. As I said, you made some good points, no need to be nasty now is there ?

I mean, let's talk plainly here - with no whataboutery. What sicko wants to watch live animals ripped apart for sport? Only a sicko. Sorry, but that's it. It's indefensible.

Not being nasty, just pointing out that opinions and facts are two different things. You may have an opinion that someone disagrees with and that allows for debate. Maybe neither side will change their opinion. Unfortunately a lot of what you have stated as fact is just completely incorrect, which means that in order to take part in a meaningful discussion or debate you need to educate yourself on the topic.

Fewer animals ripped apart by hounds for "sport"

Well, you proved my point if nothing else. I gave up posting on this thread because posters with absolutely no knowledge of the countryside or more specifically what they are debating about, but will get the wrong end of an argument and smack you round the head with it, regardless state incorrect information as fact. It's like working for the DM, I imagine.

Rat doesn't need to chill out, she's chilled already. What needs to happen is people stopping wanting to watch wild animals ripped to bits for fun.

How do you know people posting have no knowledge of the countryside FrillyHorsey(Cruelty)knickers? I live in a rural village in Kent. We don't all support fox hunting.

Frilly if you read the thread properly you'll see that lots of anti hunters have strong ties to the countryside. Stop pretending like it's some secret club that nobody could possibly understand. To be honest, the reason it's nigh on impossible to have a proper discussion is because the pro hunters give the usual bs excuses which are easily countered and then tend to strop off because there's "no point" and they "give up".

YY Rat - because it's indefensible to want to watch wild animals ripped apart for fun. And they know that -- so they bring in whataboutery and "pest control" to deflect. There is no defence to wanting to watch animals killed for sport other than "I'm a sicko who wants to watch animals ripped apart for sport".

Sorry if repeating, haven't read the whole thread.

Okay, being pragmatic, if you are using fox hunting as "pest control" is this really, truly the most practical method? A herd of horses pranging their legs on stone walls and barbed wire following a pack of dogs on a rampage through the countryside to catch one fox. One fox. Just one. If Rentokil employed similar methods, they'd be outta business no? Frankly, "pest control" is the most ridiculous excuse for fox hunting imaginable.

Pro-hunters, just admit the reason you do it and stop treating people like fools. For you it's a social event, a 'fun' day out steeped in tradition. A class/wealth boast with pomp and ceremony, dressing up and hob-nobbing with the upper classes. Exciting too, tooting horns, the chase and hurdles, the bay of the hounds, the kill, then celebratory drinkie-winkies at the pub on steaming horses. Just own what this event actually is and stop trying to delude others (and yourself).

As for foxes killing for fun? Yep, they do. It's their instinct. Same as my Greyhound would. Let him loose in a chicken run and he'd kill the lot just the same as a fox would (or a cat would). However, we are human beings and killing for fun is, as this thread title describes, the mark of a psychopath. That there's the difference.

" A class/wealth boast with pomp and ceremony, dressing up and hob-nobbing with the upper classes. Exciting too, tooting horns, the chase and hurdles, the bay of the hounds, the kill, then celebratory drinkie-winkies at the pub on steaming horses. Just own what this event actually is and stop trying to delude others (and yourself). "

see that is what I mean - an awful lot of people just hate people who ride horses, because they perceive them as rich. That is why you said, 'drinkie winkies' instead of drink. Well it just makes you sound silly tbh.
Besides it is not even like that around here. that is why the local uni hunt sabs used to drive 300 miles in a union funded minibus, to find people hunting that didn't scare them.
Pussies that cared so much about the fox that they didn't care about hurting horses or people. Some kind of class warfare day out.

I don't hate people that ride horses - my DD does horseriding. People on horses ride past our (rural) house every day, But my DD doesn't and wouldn't take pleasure from seeing a live animal killed as part of that leisure activity.

Get over yourself - this isn't about jealousy - we're fairly well off too - this is about blood sport. About watching an animal die for your pleasure.

" Get over yourself - this isn't about jealousy - we're fairly well off too - "

really? I wouldn't have guessed that from your attitude to people who ride. You mentioned class and wealth a few times didn't you? This is just so divergent from my experience with horses and indeed with the few hunts I have come across. Maybe it's different in Kent, I don't know.

You mentioned class and wealth a few times didn't you?

No, I didn't. Point me to where I did?

I have highlighted animal welfare, and not wanting to watch a live animal being killed for sport.

Is your dd competent enough to hunt shoes?

A class/wealth boast with pomp and ceremony, dressing up and hob-nobbing with the upper classes. Exciting too, tooting horns, the chase and hurdles, the bay of the hounds, the kill, then celebratory drinkie-winkies at the pub on steaming horses. Just own what this event actually is and stop trying to delude others (and yourself). "

see that is what I mean - an awful lot of people just hate people who ride horses, because they perceive them as rich. That is why you said, 'drinkie winkies' instead of drink. Well it just makes you sound silly tbh

Exactly. I got victimised by hunt sabs for being on a horse ffs. I'm a min wage earner, don't smoke, drink, go out etc so I can have an animal I love and admire.
But I'm 'posh' because of some ridiculous fucking stereotype.
If antis are asking hunters to be honest that it's not just about pest control and about the day then have the balls and do the same and admit its more about class than animal welfare!
I'm not pro hunt, never been, don't want to and agree it's not a particularly effective way of pest control - but I also do not agree with anti hunters intimidating people, and hurting horses by hauling on reins, distressing them and hurting their backs by dragging riders off, they don't have my support either because they are just as bad and using animal welfare as an excuse!

Tbh, from someone pretty much who was anti hunt I've been pushed to on the fence by the anti hunt mob - I don't agree with hunting and never will but both sides are as bad as each other!

'class/wealth boast '
'hob-nobbing with the upper classes'.
' drinkie-winkies '

:)