AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

[lubeybooby]

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

"The Hunt' is the last place that can preach to animal lovers, beerwench. Get over yourself."

Um where have I allied myself with 'the hunt'?
I don't feel the need to 'get over myself' because I
a)don't agree with hunting and
b) don't agree with the anti hunt movement being selective about which animals to be cruel to.

" They're trying to stop you in 1)unspeakable cruelty in the name of sport and 2) breaking the law. "

sorry but I have never been hunting.
Your average hunt sabber would not hesitate to harm a person, hound or horse. I know cos I have socialised with them and most of them seem to be burning up with class hatred. tbh

Well, beerwench don't let those splinters get your arse arguing both pro and anti hunting then.

Bored with this now, off to watch bullfighting and boil some puppies.

I might play that Spanish game where you tie a live chicken upside down from a tree branch and then take turns jumping up and down trying to take bites from it.

"Sabs are definitely "better". No doubt. They're trying to stop you in 1)unspeakable cruelty in the name of sport and 2) breaking the law."

So because they are defending a fox it's OK to hurt a horse who has absolutely no concept of what it is participating in and is there at the bidding of the rider?

Of course there are peaceful protests who seek to disrupt, but my experience of them isn't peaceful. I live in hunting country where sabs are organised to disrupt - and I fell pray to them while being just in the vicinity, not hunting.

OK - I appear, at 1am, to be arguing with people who are not pro-hunting, and who have never been on a hunt now. This is the strangeness of the argument. People arguing for things they are not pro, or don't do. Devil's advocate? Libertarian? Who the fuck knows. But argue for something you believe in, or don't argue at all ffs.

lol Shoes, I would have gone if I had had the chance, but it is illegal now and I can't get my leg over....a horse.

Nobody here has said it's ok to harm a horse - wtf?

I'm against harming any animal, incl horses, for sport - don't hit me with what some extreme animal rights activists will do. That's straw man. The fact that a very small knot of ARAs will harm a horse doesn't mean it's ok for fox hunting to happen.

Don't fucking try to hunt - then the hunt saboteurs will have nothing to protest.

its OK Shoes the sabs don't come up this way, a Welsh farmer on horseback would terrify them...:):)

Why would you have gone to a hunt Antigone?

To see an animal chased to an agonising death?

Or to attend an exciting social event (as I suggested upthread, remember, you bleated about "class hatred")?

Or perhaps you are just keen to rid the countryside of that one particular pesky chicken murdering fox, y'know, pest control?

I don't see a strangeness in not supporting hunting but also not supporting how the anti hunt go about trying to stop it.
The strangeness is in the idea that hunt sabs hurt animals whilst attempting to stop an animal being hurt.

No, the strangeness is that hunters want/need the death of an animal for sport.

I'm not arguing for or against, my point is while hunting is cruel, so are some of the methods employed to stop it. And the people trying to stop it are hiding behind animal welfare to justify it.
I have strong feelings on this due to personal experience.
Huntings not OK, any animal (or child - adults have the choice, child maybe not?)
Hurt in the process of stopping the hunt - not OK.

Hunting is cruel. That's where the argument should just end.

Hunting is cruel. There the argument ends - anything else is justifying a hunt - what - because the methods to end hunting, by a few, might also be bad? That's not an argument. Hunting is cruel. Full stop.

There's no justification for hunting to be found in the search to end it.

" you bleated "

no Sleep , I did not 'bleat' about anything, thank you, I am not a sheep.

It's not class hatred, though. It's hatred of knowing an animal was killed barbarically for sport.

for you maybe Shoes, not for everyone, by any means.

*"Hunting is cruel. There the argument ends - anything else is justifying a hunt - what - because the methods to end hunting, by a few, might also be bad? That's not an argument. Hunting is cruel. Full stop.

There's no justification for hunting to be found in the search to end it."*

I'm not justifying hunting at all. I'm questioning how a movement who are by definition, protecting animals, can then justify (and those who support them to do so) hurting another animal.
How can that not be a valid argument? If you don't agree with hunting on the basis it's animal cruelty, how can you condone any method to stop it that is also cruel?
That is not justifying hunting, it's saying both sides are wrong - because cruelty to any animal is wrong.

They are protecting animals - they're trying to stop a hunt. They don't go to deliberately hurt animals, but the hunters are actually breaking the law by hunting foxes with hounds.

The hunters are very deliberately hurting animals - that is undeniable.

Where is your outrage for hunters deliberately killing animals for sport?

YANBU. Fox hunting is abhorrent.

I don't eat meat either. The whole industry is disgusting.

But for their owners, deliberately and illegally taking those horses out to hunt, those horses wouldn't even be at risk from the evil saboteurs. T