AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

[lubeybooby]

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

Shoes

I rather like fish actually - however, that's irrelevant - I would ban any sporting activity that involves the cruel death of an animal - whether it has fur, scales or feathers.

Why? The boars we used to shoot had a better life than many pigs on farms. And certainly a quicker death, especially compared to the whole transport etc.

Same for fishing btw. Doesn't matter whether it's for sport or industry, the fish still dies. And the farmed (or comercially fished ones) usually have a much slower death. Plus, conventional fish farms are quite disgusting.

Hunting an animal to eat, and just taking what you need, is not something I would do (been vegetarian for 30 years), but I can respect it.

hunting animals and enjoying it; posing with the corpses like that toothy Texan twat who likes to shoot big game; hunting more than you need such as a pheasant shoot (when apparently lots of them just get buried afterwards because pheasant isn't as popular as other meats); hunting animals for "sport" like the fox hunting cunts who think it's acceptable to chase a terrified animal and watch it get ripped apart by dogs whilst it's still alive...that's NOT ok.

• by taking what you need, I mean in terms of animals killed, eg 1 fish, 1 deer. I don't mean just take bits from the animal and leave the rest!!

oh yes the pheasants being shot for fun, it does seem a bit wanky doesn't it?
we used to buy them after for £3 a brace at the local post office.

There is also a difference between living your entire life in freedom up until the very last minute and being born for the sole purpose of ending up on someones plate and living your entire life in overcrowded captivity.

why must we anthropomorphise? the animal doesn't know it's "lived its entire life in freedom". often that means it doesn't have enough food, or it's constantly looking to make sure it's not food for another animal with more teeth, or it can catch a disease and not be taken to a vet to be cured... it's just being an animal.

it's not a tradeoff, whereby in return for getting to "live your entire life in freedom", the animal should then welcome being chased around for hours until it's exhausted and then mauled and torn to death whilst a gang of people sit on horses and watch!

I was in a bog in very remote north west Ireland yesterday and met a fox. It was beautiful. Stared at me briefly then disappeared.

"When you hear hunters justifying their foul activities by talking of the need for 'fox control' it's a little hard to understand why they rear cubs in secret locations so they can hunt them, isn't it?

And why hunt territories are full of well maintained artificial earths to encourage foxes (and so the bloodthirsty bastards know where to find them) and hunts have been secretly recorded putting food out for foxes.

In any case, fox populations do not need 'controlling'; fox numbers are controlled by availability of territory and food"

''Just a small thing to remember ... if you are a Farmer you can (sadly) still shoot or trap foxes.What you can’t (legally but it is still done illegally) do is don a silly outfit and chase a fox to sheer exhaustion through the countryside and get your dogs to rip it apart while it’s still alive. So when May says she wants to “bring back fox-hunting” what she is actually saying is “I think you should be able to kill foxes by getting dogs to rip them limb from limb”.

If we are going to have this ridiculous debate, let’s at least be clear about what we’re debating''

Just a snippet from an article. Hunts rhymes with exactly what they and their supporters all are.

Vegan of may years here before some smart ass points out that we all eat meat blah blah boring blah.

" Vegan of may years here before some smart ass points out that we all eat meat blah blah boring blah. "

yes well the soy industry probably harms more animals than fox hunting does.

Just because someone is a vegan doesn't mean they eat soy

i know , but there is a reasonable likelihood isn't there?

No. Soy is rank!!

Wow Jones out of my entire post THAT is what you choose to comment on!

Just because someone is a vegan doesn't mean they eat soy exactly Rufus thank you. Some people are that dim that they think that though.

The vegan argument is actually very sensible imo. Somebody that's generally against the slaughter of animals is obviously also against hunting...

It is indeed rank Rose

I dont know to be honest antigone

When i was a strictish vegetarian i didnt eat it

I am just extrapolating from my experience of me

Fluffy, I am not 'dim' thank you, far from it. Just I have noticed that vegan people have to shout about it to signal their virtue, and often have a pint or of soy milk in their shopping, or tofu or something like that.
You know I am right.

Tofu is gross...

I have to admit that this did make me laugh. At myself mostly!

:):) exactly Rose

Still banging on about diet I see 😊

I've never liked the hunting displays at country shows because they appeal to the public by saying "if we outlaw hunting we would have to put all the fox hounds down as they can't live in homes Well maybe don't breeds hundreds of them then

They've had 13 years to work out (a) what to do with the hounds (and not breed anymore!) (b) find other ways of making money and (c) find other humane ways to cull foxes.

I have no sympathy for people who want to go fox hunting at all.

And I would have thought that there was more for the next government to worry about than to bring back fox hunting.

But they'll get elected anyway.

Antigone you are making a lot of generalisations and to be honest talking a lot of shite. This, for example is a complete myth:

They eat chickens and bite the heads off lambs. Not to eat them just for fun (the latter).

Foxes do not kill for fun. That is a misconception and a lie commonly trotted out by the hunting lot. Actually foxes will kill as many animals as possible quickly (i.e. a whole chicken coop) with the intention of returning to remove them all, eat what they need to and bury the remainder to eat in the future. It's just that they are often disturbed in the middle of this by the landowner/farmer etc and are therefore not able to remove all of their prey.

I would imagine people would object quite strongly to a group chasing sheep around a field with dogs in order to kill them for meat.
Yet apparently it's OK for foxes to do this.

Do people really think that foxes are to be 'punished' for their natural behaviour by being chased by a pack of hounds and ripped to shreds? Come on. What a fucking ludicrous argument. If their numbers need to be controlled because they are a pest then there are other more efficient and more ethical ways to achieve this, as has been detailed numerous times on this thread already (here's a free tip for you though - this works better if you don't purposely breed cubs for the hunt!).

Also can't honestly believe that some people are being so obtuse and claiming not to understand the difference between hunting for food and hunting for the hell of it. And also the ridiculous argument that far worse or similar happens in slaughterhouses. Of course it does. But that is an argument for drastically improving animal welfare in the food industry, not an argument for just going "well fuck it, we already abuse x amount of animals in this country, may as well abuse some more". Bollocks. It's not hypocrisy to eat meat and be anti fox hunting if you are selective about where your meat comes from (we buy from a local farm who raises, slaughters and butchers on site. His welfare record is excellent. Not cheap but ethically produced meat should not be cheap).

I also love how democracy must be respected when us "remoaners" aren't chuffed about a referendum result largely built on complete lies but it's OK to have another stab at the fox hunting issue and see if we can't just get the result we want Definitely do not want to start a Brexit debate but just pointing out the double standard there.

Agree. To control the fox population?... What a lot of utter crap. Where will the next hunt be then? Hounslow? Fox population is quite high in London

Well said Ratatatouille😊