AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

[lubeybooby]

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

So you can actually see a difference.

Again, to cricket. Thread living faster than I can type 😊

So you can actually see a difference

In the sense that abolishing slaughterhouses and letting dogs kill all animals instead would be highly unusual (and impractical. I mean, a cow, for example...)? Yes.

Cricket-No, in the sense that the method of them being killed is different.

As much as people like eating meat, I think (in general) they dislike the idea of animals suffering and being mistreated. So, while they may be able to sit down to roast lamb for Sunday dinner, they would be upset if they saw a dog chasing a lamb across a field and killing it.

Yes, many people convince themselves that the treatment of animals in slaughter houses is a lot nicer than it actually is but, in general, there is a difference between a quick bolt to the head and being chased and mauled to death.

So, while they may be able to sit down to roast lamb for Sunday dinner, they would be upset if they saw a dog chasing a lamb across a field and killing it.

That's largely the doe-eyed hypocrisy of civilized life though, which would soon evaporate if people had to hunt a bit themselves, that being one of the most natural things in the world, and a tendency/aptitude in people that we'll have been selecting for almost since the earliest days of humanity.

In reality for larger animals it would be inhumane to kill with dogs as they might make a meal of it (if you'll pardon the expression). This is why people who are fine with ethical hunting (as horrid as that might seem) are often not fans of fox hunting.

For smaller animals it could be quicker than shooting them, but if you did it in volume it would be unnecessarily messy and impractical, spoiling lots of meat and therefore wasting animal lives.

Yes, many people convince themselves that the treatment of animals in slaughter houses is a lot nicer than it actually is but, in general, there is a difference between a quick bolt to the head and being chased and mauled to death.

There is also a difference between living your entire life in freedom up until the very last minute and being born for the sole purpose of ending up on someones plate and living your entire life in overcrowded captivity.

Right, I apparently misunderstood your question.

From what I know about slaughterhouses, the process of actually getting the animal there, certain farming practices etc... I personally do not see a difference from a wellfare point of view.

But most people don't actually see the whole chase either. And anyhow, I'll say it again. I am not pro fox hunting with hounds.
I simply subject to the OP saying all supporters are psychopaths. Which is imo absolutely ridiculous.
Enjoying the ride and not caring about the death of the fox is imo exactly like somebody enjoying their factory farmed chicken or eggs. Yes.

And my initial objetion was actually about an other person that claimed that hunting (or fishing) should never be enjoyable.

Which is imo wrong and also disingenous. Because those hunters that do shoot their prey? From an animal wellfare point of view that seems clearly much more ethical than farmed and "humanly slaughtered" meat.

Blerp, oh I agree that people are blind to the reality of it. I was addressing Cricket's point that she could see no difference in the killing - whether it is for sport or meat.

I agree Nowwhat - but foxes aren't being hunted and killed for meat.

Cricket, I agree that welfare practices irt mass meat production leave a lot to be desired but I can still see a difference in being killed by a bolt to the head and being ripped apart. (I acknowledge that animals in both situations are going to experience fear prior to death. As NowWhat pointed out - that is one advantage of hunting on demand! As long as you are capable of shooting to kill )

Hunting for meat on demand*

the thing is that industrialisation wiped out the fox's natural predators.
They eat chickens and bite the heads off lambs. Not to eat them just for fun (the latter).
They could be shot or poisoned (but what else would eat the poison?)

Antigone, but if it is a case of culling then shooting them is much more efficient than chasing them across the countryside with dogs.

I am not sure about that Bumbley.
Besides the hunt employs a lot of people...:)

You really think a hunt is more efficient?

It's not usually their sole employment.

Yes I do. One person can sit in a tree all night and pick off the odd fox.
Or you can use poison (not good for dogs and cats etc)
Or you can just hunt, and I think for grooms, dog handlers etc., whippers in and so on, it IS their sole employment.
Besides if you want to ban fox hunting, why not ban fishing too?
the poor fish gets a steel hook through its lip,. then it is usually chucked back in to suffer.
Very few people fish to eat. (except my Polish brother in law but that's another story)
The reason that people don't get irate about the fish suffering is because traditionally hunting is seen as a 'toff' sport while fishing is a working class pastime.
Lets be honest, if people thought about this rationally, they would see that the hunting ban has very little to do with animal welfare.

fishing is a working class pastime.

Sweeping statement and not true by any stretch of the imagination.

Besides if you want to ban fox hunting, why not ban fishing too?

I would.

So would i shoe

Shoes

Do you think fishing is "just as bad" as fox hunting?

Or would you like to ban any kind of activity or practice that leads to dead animals...?

Lets be honest, if people thought about this rationally, they would see that the hunting ban has very little to do with animal welfare.

For me, it is everything to do with animal welfare - it is inhumane and barbaric to chase an animal (any animal) through the fields and watch as it is torn apart by a pack of dogs. No matter how much whataboutery you try and bring up as justification.

I think it is because fish are wet and slimy while foxes are cute and fluffy.

Fox hunting with hounds is not a method of pest control, its a sport.

I rather like fish actually - however, that's irrelevant - I would ban any sporting activity that involves the cruel death of an animal - whether it has fur, scales or feathers.

..I know this is more 'whataboutery' but is anyone aware of just how cruel the dairy industry is , for example?

...maybe you would have to be a psychopath to put milk in your tea?