AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

[lubeybooby]

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

You can enjoy challenging rides without hunting foxes.

The comparison to killing for meat doesn't really stand up. I would imagine people would object quite strongly to a group chasing sheep around a field with dogs in order to kill them for meat. Look at how many meat eaters object to halal meat because the animals aren't stunned.

Agree 100% OP.
In my 20s I started a new job where about 15 of us "youngsters" would crowd into a kitchen for tea breaks, this girl who'd been there for a few years and the ringleader started banging on about going to country to see her parents at weekend, and taking part in a hunt. I am a veggie and serious animal lover and couldn't stop myself from commenting saying something along the liens of " wow you actually enjoy this?" she then had a massive go at me, not letting me get another word in edge ways, ending up in TEARS because I was daring to insult her daddy and his mates and that I knew nothing about it.. the others either stood in silence or basically told me to keep my opinions to myself. I quit pretty soon after.

" Look at how many meat eaters object to halal meat because the animals aren't stunned "

IMO they don't give a fuck about the animals, they just don't like Muslims.

I personally don't think that eating meat (or fish) is necessary. I simply enjoy doing so (particularly in the case of fish).

So yes, I get enjoyment from the imo absolutely needless death of an animal.

I don't see how any of this is disingenous.

Anyhow, we're going in cicrcles. You are suggesting that there is a crucial difference, I'm making the argument that it's very similar/the same... We quite obviously simply disagree.

"IMO they don't give a fuck about the animals, they just don't like Muslims."

Well that's a bit of a sweeping statement. I disagree.

YANBU, I cannot vote conservative at this election for this reason ( and a few others too).

I don't think the two sides will ever agree. I have nothing against hunting at all whether for sport or meat nor fur farming for that matter. However people have different views on these things and a free vote in the Commons is the right way to go.

Cricket - I think the difference is quite clearly in the death. I have my own issues with how animals are treated and slaughtered for meat production but it's still quite different to chasing an animal across the country and tearing it apart while alive.

I know it was a bit ridiculously sweeping Bumbley, however this is what I have noticed.

AntigoneJones: "IMO they don't give a fuck about the animals, they just don't like Muslims."

Probably true. If people took a few minutes to find out more, they'd discover that abattoirs are not places where animals are treated with respect and kindness in their final hours. The meat industry is inherently cruel. Making a fuss about halal given the wider context is ludicrous, so one can only assume it's motivated by anti-Muslim feeling and laced with a massive dollop of self-delusion.

Antigone's right. It's always amusing to watch the anti-halal faction's reaction when it's pointed out to them that that it is certainly no more cruel than the way we deal with non-halal meat; and when you ask them whether they eat meat in Indian restaurants.

I'm wondering what kind of people you've spoken to about this...

That's right Ceto..:) thank you.
Also, halal slaughter is done with a knife that is so sharp that the spinal cord is immediately cut, removing all feeling.
The anti halal lot don't want to hear that.
Anyway...

I think I'm reasonably consistent. Pro hunting and I think on the whole British slaughter methods are quite humane but they are only animals anyway. I am not a Janist and I do happily swat flies and even cut my grass (poor little grass stems....)

Ok, religious distractions aside. Do you think people would object if the method of killing for meat was to chase the animals around the field with dogs?

Most people who care about animals not suffering unduly would care that the ones who are slaughtered are stunned, killed very quickly, not transported excessive distances and so on.

If people are not adhering to the law and the spirit of the law in being humane, that is a reason to enforce the law harder and more strictly, not a reason to be more permissive about animal cruelty because fuck it people are breaking the law anyway (?!)

Ceto: The cognitive dissonance of calling people barbaric for the precise reason that you think they make animals suffer and then 180ing to say "ah what the fuck does it matter anyway if other people are already doing it it" is fucking ASTOUNDING.

Ooh, a bit sweary there, I'm sorry

That question is to Cricket who thinks that killing foxes for sport and killing animals for meat is the same.

"Do you think people would object if the method of killing for meat was to chase the animals around the field with dogs?"
People object to all sorts.
That does not mean people are right however.
I am in favour of letting farmers or home owners setting traps to catch rabbits, shooting pigeons, venison (I love wild game).

I was talking to one of my twin 18 year olds last night - both of whom are against hunting (their sisters and I are pro hunting), I think it's really good when families have their own views and are not clones of their parents. I was saying some people vote in elections on one issue which is really important to them like hunting and I am trying to give the twins opposing views to mine on all kinds of issues. Some people will think the murder of innocent humans via abortion is the only issue which matters in the election and will only support an MP who is anti abortion. Others will be anti nuclear weapons I was saying. I hope my twins work out the issues which matter most to them and vote accordingly.

I did to be fair a search of our sitting MP and send the boys the result on the hunting issue - he has not said if he is pro or anti.

I would imagine people would object quite strongly to a group chasing sheep around a field with dogs in order to kill them for meat. Yet apparently it's OK for foxes to do this.

well I was happy for my daughter to go hunting..
she said it was dull as fuck though and never went again.
It was a real hunt as well, not a drag hunt.
Drag hunt would have been more exciting probably.

They're foxes, Derxa.

Ok, religious distractions aside. Do you think people would object if the method of killing for meat was to chase the animals around the field with dogs?

Seeing as the majroity of people aren't psychopaths but still happily eat facory farmed meat?

I think they'd object because they'd see it as out of the ordinary and unsanitary, yes.

They're foxes, Derxa. Yes and that lame pro fox website suggested that all lambing ewes should be kept inside with all the disease and cost implications that entails.

I think I'm reasonably consistent. Pro hunting and I think on the whole British slaughter methods are quite humane but they are only animals anyway. I am not a Janist and I do happily swat flies and even cut my grass (poor little grass stems....)

I think we are not all going to agree on stuff, for instance I have no moral issue with someone killing an animal if it's done for a reason, and that includes hunting, farming, alleviation of suffering, pest control, culls etc. but if someone is doing it wastefully or disrespectfully, causes suffering, orphans babies unnecessarily, hunts without being proficient enough to prevent suffering etc. then I will take grave issue with that. We might eat animals to survive, but we're (loosely speaking) higher beings with a responsibility for nature and we should exercise what power/custodianship we have humanely.

The issue I have with the OP and any other like it (regardless of the target group being talked about) is that it applies a slur/hatred through simplification and prejudice, which is stupid and wrong.