AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

[lubeybooby]

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

It is possible TM's saying it to get the 'Countryside Alliance' vote - and TM will say anything to get her solid majority. Although most of the Countryside Alliance folk would probably vote for a fox standing in their consituency if it had a blue rosette pinned to it.

84% of the country is against the repeal of the hunting ban in the last opinion poll I saw - so as TM is such a pioneer of the 'will of the people' she should leave well alone.

Shoes

I would have assumed that this is primarily a distraction...

A distraction from the disaster that will be Brexit "No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal" ? Quite possibly.

Countryside Alliance will be sat there on their horses in their frilly knickers saying "oh well, the economy's gone to crap, but at least we can legally chase some poor animal through the fields and then watch the hounds rip it apart."

It is possible TM's saying it to get the 'Countryside Alliance' vote -
Indeed. Vote OK have already mobilised and are presenting themselves as bona fide canvassers when in fact they are hunt followers/supporters looking to get pro hunt Tories into seats. Obviously, this nugget of info is not shared with Joe Public when they are doing their rounds. Isn't it amazing what some people will do for 'pest' control.

It's like trying to explain to a toddler what the letter four smells like, but I'll stick with the proverbial "you can't educate pork".

And yet you yourself have been unable to answer several very simple and very direct questions Frilly. But yes, everyone else is stupid

that's alright then

If necessary and they don't suffer for much longer than humanely slaughtered food animals, or animals that are shot for pest control then yes it's alright. A lurcher will make very short work of a small animal indeed.

The prevention of suffering and unnecessary/unethical kills matter. We probably all agree on fox hunting. That doesn't mean everyone is horrified to quite the same level by the mere existence of hunting, culls, slaughterhouses etc.

One plus of Theresa May's stupid announcement is that my died-in-the-wool Conservative parents are so pissed off that they aren't going to vote for her any more. Silver linings and all that.

I wonder why we aren't allowed a second vote on Brexit but she is on fox hunting?

Years ago I had peripheral involvement in a case where a hunt tried to injunct sabs to prevent them from policing their activities to ensure that they weren't breaking the law. It was hilarious how enraged the hunt supporters were at the fact that the the sabs had joined the side of the angels in upholding the law, whereas the hunt were now the people on the wrong side of it. Apparently the hunt had had some success with similar legal actions before because the sabs didn't get their act together to defend themselves properly. Therefore in this case the hunt and their lawyer had no idea what to do when they met real opposition and the true weaknesses in their arguments were pointed out and some blatant lies exposed.

Ultimately the hunt's case got thrown out as being totally without merit and they had to pay the sabs' legal costs. Apparently the looks on their faces in court were priceless.

If necessary and they don't suffer for much longer than humanely slaughtered food animals

And there it is..... references made to eating meat as a means to justify killing for sport and tradition. I call hunting 'Bingo'
Perhaps try to be a bit more original

www.thefoxwebsite.net/agriculture/agrisheep
No doubt you got your information from this.

Is that your best shot dexra. Rather disappointing although IME hunters do tend to struggle with facts. Perhaps they have alternative facts 😊

Beyondworried

And there it is..... references made to eating meat as a means to justify killing for sport and tradition. I call hunting 'Bingo' hmm

But what's wrong with this argument? It may not be the particularly original, yes. But that doesn't invalidate the argument, does it?

I personally do think hunting could be seen like... Eating pancakes, for example.

Somebody may enjoy the challenge of the ride. I personally enjoy eating pancakes. And for both human enjoyments animals die. (a fox or baby cows & chicks. I personally don't really see the difference)

YANBU. It's a vile thing to do for 'fun' and suggests there is something deeply, deeply wrong with the people who hunt.

Of course you don't cricket. As had been said before hunters generally pursue the 'do you eat meat' line of response when they have fuck all left to try and justify their revolting pastime. But hey, if it makes you feel validated then you go right ahead love

And there it is..... references made to eating meat as a means to justify killing for sport and tradition. I call hunting 'Bingo' hmm
Perhaps try to be a bit more original

Sorry if it seems like a cliche or part of "bingo" to you (having discussed hunting lots perhaps?) but food would be the obvious benchmark of humane destruction for most people if it came up wouldn't it, because most of us eat animals.

I'm also not trying to justify fox hunting itself, and people are not actually here to justify anything to you if you would take a moment to read anybody else's posts and stop assuming you're holding court here.

As I said, I support the ban for larger animals like foxes that will suffer if killed by dogs because they will not do it quickly/cleanly. Blanket opposition to all hunting is a more hardline position that not everyone will agree with.

Beyond

Right, then what is your argument against it? In both cases animals die for human enjoyment.
As I said, I'm not pro-fox hunting, I just think that some reactions on this thread are hypocritical hysteria.

And that hunting one's own meat is actually, from an animal welfare point of view, one of the most ethical ways of acquiring meat. So yes, the "do you eat meat" argument is imo extremely relevant in all cases of hunting but especially when somebody actually eats what they shoot.

**Foxes are not ripped to death by hounds.

On at least 6 occasions I can recall the foxes are fucking ripped to death by the hounds. Still gives me nightmare now.

Cunts absolute fucking cunts.

Those hounds are bred purely for ripping something to shreds at least that's what the prick I had to deal with told me, I have even taken photos and reported them to the police being as it's illegal and nothing happened.

But hey ho blood thirsty bastards are always right why should I deny them to kill animals in a brutal way

It's at best somewhat disingenuous to say that animals killed for meat are killed for humans' enjoyment. There is an obvious difference between eating and sitting on a horse watching a live animal being chased to its death and torn apart by dogs.

I wonder why we aren't allowed a second vote on Brexit but she is on fox hunting?

I keep thinking about this too. You could argue that Brexit was more important...

Are you just trying to be obstructive Cricket? Although it would now appear based on your last post that you are starting to undermine your own rather weak argument ☺

Cricket doesn't seem to able to understand that rather simple logic Ceto. If you eat meat you cannot object to an animal being hunted down by a pack of hounds and shredded. Imagine the outrage if people in cities took packs of dogs out for a bit of fun, gratuitous killing of the local pet population.

well I have met some hunt sabs when at uni, and they seemed to have a massive chip on their shoulder about people riding horses, more than about the fox. I was trying to have a conversation with one of them about drag hunting but he was really not interested.
Then later he got a graduate job with ICI.
Twat.

Is that your best shot dexra. Rather disappointing although IME hunters do tend to struggle with facts. Perhaps they have alternative facts
I'm not a hunter nor do I approve of hunting but someone was suggesting that dead lambs are mostly due to bad husbandry.It's OK for foxes to take lambs apparently because it's a small percentage. We do our lambing outside because the sheep are a hardy breed.