AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

[lubeybooby]

the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

Beyondworried You simply don't see my sheer awesomeness and pleasant personality ;)

Some wild boars (which was actually the example I used in my initial comment...) need to be killed, population control. I enjoy eating them. Others enjoy hunting them. It's a perfect arrangement.

Do you want to hunt them? Or somebody else that doesn't enjoy hunting? I doubt it.

Many of us have seen ragged, skinny urban foxes barely surviving

Urban foxes I come across are mostly pretty sleek and well-fed. They go around with a degree of arrogance knowing that urbanites are generally going to leave them alone.

It's a bit of a myth that the fox is killed by the first bite of the first hound it encounters. Pretty obviously, that cannot be guaranteed - the fox is still trying to get away at that point and its instinct is not to offer a vulnerable part of itself as a target. And whether they are pulled apart before or after death, people who enjoy the spectacle are still revolting.

Other methods of control are indiscriminate

No they aren't. A good gamekeeper is much more capable of discriminating in choice of target than a pack of hounds.

Foxes, like most mammals, have a natural survival instinct. And yes, of course they are capable of feeling terror, inasmuch as that is triggered by the release of a massive amount of adrenalin and related chemicals. If they were not frightened, they would not try to escape.

Ceto
I think I actually explained that in my comment at: Thu 11-May-17 19:37:54

Foxes have no natural predators and numbers need to be controlled
How strange then that in the aftermath of the foot and mouth crisis there was no increase in the number of foxes based on research. Perhaps also try and explain why foxes are kept in captivity. What were the Middleton Hunt doing with 16 fox cubs. One of numerous examples of foxes being caught and kept for hunting. My OLD boss used to feed them FFS

Many of us have seen ragged, skinny urban foxes barely surviving and many countryside foxes prey on newborn lambs. How should they be controlled?
Again..... the number lost to fox predation are so small as to be negligible. Research found that most losses due to poor animal husbandry.

For someone who used to hunt you don't know much do you

You simply don't see my sheer awesomeness and pleasant personality

Thank god you and your like are a minority. You sound dreadful

The thing which is so infuriating is that most people on this thread genuinely have no idea what they are on about and I've seen the daily mail quoted in three separate posts.

I wouldn't mind but the misinformation on this thread is baffling.

It's like trying to explain to a toddler what the letter four smells like, but I'll stick with the proverbial "you can't educate pork".

How strange then that in the aftermath of the foot and mouth crisis there was no increase in the number of foxes based on research

Based on which research?! Please don't try telling me that foxes have a predator other than us is this country.

Thank god you and your like are a minority.

My like? ;)

I'm actually genuinely curious, what part of this argument do you object to:

But the OP is imo unreasonable calling all pro-hunting people psychopaths. I imagine most pro-hunting people simply enjoy the challenge of the ride.
I personally enjoy eating fish. And eggs. Either way, an animal dies for the pleasure/enjoyment of humans...
The baby chick gets shredded/gassed for my eggs. The fish usually suffocates (actually, that depends).The fox is hunted down for their ride. I fail to see the difference. I don't see how this makes me a "psychopath"?

Here you go Zampa
Straight from a hunt employee.
Strange way to control numbers don't you think

Taking pleasure in an animals death is pathetic. I agree. However, death is, at times, a necessary evil.

Urban foxes I come across are mostly pretty sleek and well-fed. 10 years in a Zone 2 London showed me numerous sick and unhealthy foxes and maybe 1 or 2 healthy specimens.

It's a bit of a myth that the fox is killed by the first bite of the first hound it encounters. The hierarchy of the pack and the relative sizes of the hound and fox indicate that death is delivered by the lead hound and is quick.

A good gamekeeper And how many of those do you suppose there are? Does every person troubled by foxes have access to a pro-bono trained marksman? Or do you think a farmer is more likely to take a shot themselves, potentially injuring but not killing the fox?

they are capable of feeling terror, inasmuch as that is triggered by the release of a massive amount of adrenalin and related chemicals. Terror implies foreboding and anticipation which are human traits. Adrenalin and chemicals are instincts. A fox has no concept of death.

Here you Frilly
This should be a good place to start

The hierarchy of the pack and the relative sizes of the hound and fox indicate that death is delivered by the lead hound and is quick

Utter bullshit.

Whilst I'm happy to sit on the fence about hunting I am cringing reading a few people's posts admiring hunt saboteurs. In my experience they are mostly people who are out for a protest and care very little about animal welfare, I have seen them call hounds onto NSL roads. Honestly, I believe most views on hunting are valid - it's such an emotive subject. But really, most hunt sabs are professional trouble makers.

But really, most hunt sabs are professional trouble makers

Priceless.

Foxes are indigenous to the U.K., humans are not.

Here you Frilly This should be a good place to start

Ah, the Guardian - where all well balanced arguments are formed. 😂

We all know that this was one of the underpin in fact arguments for the ban, but evidence based?

Beyondworried
I am pleased

terror implies foreboding and anticipation which are human traits. Adrenalin and chemicals are instincts. A fox has no concept of death

Are you kidding me???? Thank god you are a minority.

Again, I think the majority of people are just making a lot of assumptions.

Many people who hunt will never have seen a fox killed. Of the ones who have, most would look away or turn and remove themselves rather than watch it. The fun and sport of it is in the horses, not the fox, though the fox is a very necessary part of what makes a hunt a hunt. Conditioning means that people on a hunt don't feel too bad for the fox though you'd be surprised how many hunters will say, aw the poor fox and be genuinely thrilled when they get away which they often do.

Yes it's barbaric. But at the same time, many people here are very wrong about the people who hunt. But for the fact that they (we) were raised around it would be saying it's barbaric and should be banned too. So hunting people are just like you but taught something different from a young age.

pardonwhat

Sadly all too common. I watched a grown man pull an 11 year old child from her horse - hunt sabs are gutter rats. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/earthnews/8852765/Hunt-saboteurs-lured-hound-in-front-of-car.html

Will the Telegragh suit you better Frilly?

Anyway.... regardless there will be no repeal. There wont be enough support for it. Thankfully.

Frillyhorseknickers - I Can believe it! I've had all sorts screamed at me by sabs as I've driven past. Not part of the hunt just literally driving past.
Obviously, some will be there from a stance of what they believe in regards to animal welfare. But the vast majority I believe are not.
It's a shame that some posters are unwilling to believe any story that doesn't suit their believes!

Try harder Frilly

I've encountered sabs twice - not while hunting - first time was a long time ago when it was a minibus full of students from a nearby University that had got lost, didn't actually care about the hunt, but were worried that they wouldn't get their £20 day's wages - I said it was a long time ago!

The second time paths crossed while visiting a friend. The irony was that the sabs hadn't realised that they too are hunters - they were enjoying 'hunting' the hunt on foot, they were very excited, you could see they were running on adrenalin, and having a fantastic feel-good day out. It's a strange world.