AIBU to say only psychopaths support fox hunting

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the kind who would laugh at and enjoy watching kittens being set on fire (animal cruelty especially early in lifeis a marker for psychopathic tendencies)

Because it's just the same as that. Animal cruelty plain and simple.

Imagine a group of thugs chasing a terrified animal to give it a horrible death

Now imagine they are posh people on horseback

VILE

Theresa May makes me angrier every day. Disgusting excuse of a person.

I don't give a shit if you live in the country or anywhere in fact and foxes are a nuisance to you - kill them humanely if you must!

The foxes are lucky you are so merciful frilly I mean really, what do they have to complain about? You allow them to feed their Cubs before you chase the lot of them to their death and sip from your hip flasks while they are torn apart suffering unimaginable agony. Don't you think the people that shoot out of season will still be doing that while you're hunting? You aren't preventing that. It's just another useful little line to sprout to appease your questionable conscience

Lots of people used to be in favour of dog fighting. Lots of people in Spain are in favour of bull fighting doesn't make it less sickening or right Janet

You don't need to control the fox population. Foxes are an apex predator and useful for keeping down populations of mice, rats and so on.

This almost always happens when humans decide a particular pest needs "controlling" - it has knock-on effects that we didn't predict. See also pesticides that end up killing large numbers of bees.

Schtinkay Wed 10-May-17 17:08:38 Well said.

Yes OP you ABU and rather insulting with it.

All of you posters who are 'oh so offended' are happily eating halal meat! Oh but that's alright?

Incidentally, it's worth noting that when fox hunting started to catch on as a sport in the early 19th century, there weren't enough foxes, so they imported loads from the continent. So the whole sanctimonious posturing about the need for hunting as a way of keeping numbers down is laughable.

All of you posters who are 'oh so offended' are happily eating halal meat! Oh but that's alright?

What?

No I'm not eating halal meat but please don't let that stand in your way of a sensible argument

To be honest we are all eating halal meat (except the vegetarians), we just don't know it!

Why are so many posters so singular in their thought processes they assume everyone else is?

If fox hunting were needed to control foxes, why has there been a 34% decline in fox population since 1995 according to the BBS mammal monitoring study
The study surely surges that foxes do not need additional controls at present.

Frilly, isn't there a logical conflict in your argument? If the purpose is to control populations that cause terrible damage, then taking out the sick and slow and encouraging a more healthy and robust population is a terrible way to reduce damage from that population.

I grew up on the land in another country, I've shot plenty of 'cute' animals for peat control and I'm sure that horrifies many people. But some of the arguments used to support/justify fox hunting don't ring true to me.

Those trying to excuse foxhunting by suggesting the fox population is controlled by it are talking out of their arses.

Foxhunting by people on horseback with dogs is a sport, pure and simple.

The participants dress up in a special uniform to do it. They do it in a social/communal way.

Keeping a pack of hounds is very expensive. There is no way that anyone would use this method for keeping the fox population under control other than the fact that the participants ENJOY it.

There are easier/cheaper and quicker ways of killing foxes but these methods do not include 'fun'.

The supporters of hunting foxes with dogs make me sick.

I am sure someone has already quoted Oscar Wilde...

“The English country gentleman galloping after a fox – the unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable”

All of you posters who are 'oh so offended' are happily eating halal meat! Oh but that's alright?

Stunned or not stunned? Using 'halal' as a proxy for 'killed without stunning' is inaccurate and clouds the issue in a really unhelpful way.

I too think there is something deeply disturbing about people will kill for
'Sport'. I couldn't be friends with them, and could not for instance sit at a table and eat with them or socialise.

We were talking about this in the office yesterday and there were at least 2 Tory voters who have changed their minds over this one issue. I can't actually believe it's come up again.

Oh and I've lived in the country all my life.

I support hunting. Most people I know do. Probably because of where I live. I can see both view points. I'm certainly not a psychopath.

Can I ask Pardonwhat why you support it?

For some people it's a normal part of life/culture. It's conditioning, you can be conditioned to be fine with anything!

It's an amazing day out. Very social and physically challenging for both horses and riders. The horses LOVE it. I remember well the excitement in the yard on hunt day, the horses just knew it and with neighbourhood horses hacking past to the meet they would be going wild with excitement. The social side was great.

Didn't think too much about the fox to be honest. Discussions were focused on the skill and condition of the dogs. We often didn't catch a fox but it was never about that for most people there. Often farmers would ask the hunt to track a troublesome fox on their land so that felt like doing something useful.

The thrills and spills, the chat about the near misses for weeks after was fantastic.

It's all about the horses for people hunting. Maybe that's what people don't realise.

Yeah, there's no other way to exercise horses that doesn't result in chasing a terrified animal around and then tearing it to shreds whilst it's still alive.

Fucking sickening.

It's all about the horses for people hunting. Maybe that's what people don't realise.

In the gentlest possible way, I think many people do realise that and they find the mindset - that the fox is collateral damage and it, and the manner of its death don't really matter or come into people's thinking - problematic.

I assume everyone here is vegan? Or eats only meat, dairy and fish that comes from extremely high welfare sources (i.e. rearing the animals yourselves so you know what's going on).

Factory farming, animal testing and other forms of animal cruelty for human use is FAR FAR worse than fox hunting in my opinion. Save your efforts for more worthwhile causes.

Foxes have a life of freedom, then are chased, as they would be if they had any other natural predator. Just as e.g. mice or rabbits are chased by birds, foxes, cats, dogs, badgers etc. Chasing and tearing apart are just a part of nature.

Keeping animals locked away inside for their entire lives, having their babies taken away from them at birth (or very young) and dying in the horrific environments of slaughter houses is absolutely barbaric in my opinion.

Female horses stand their whole lives on concrete flooring having their urine collected, having yearly foals, to collect the hormones for HRT. This is barbaric.

Beagles that don't get to go outside their whole lives. Monkeys whose young are taken away so they can test their distress for mental health research. This is barbaric.

Fox hunting is not barbaric. In my opinion.

(disclaimer, I am not a fox hunter and never have been. I wouldn't choose to do it, but I don't think it should be banned. I think intensive factory farming should be.)

I think jumping off a cliff is a good idea. It's probably because I'm a lemming.

I would say now that fox hunting is barbaric.

I was just answering some of the questions about what is going through peoples minds if they hunt or support it.

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