To ask how the NHS will be saved by labour

[mummytwoshoes]

Currently reading a lot of conservative bashing on FB etc about the privatisation of the NHS, I've seen the labour promise to 'save the NHS' but I haven't seen anything about how they will fund this. AIBU to ask if anyone knows?

Sorry, messed up there.

At least Labour are willing to try to save it.

No one on £55k is going to pay extra income tax, only those on over £80k, the £55k earner who posted above is just scare mongering. My DH earns £51k and we live very comfortably, we would be happy with the 1% extra the lib dems are proposing to support the NHS. No action is not a possibility, while public sector pay increases are limited to 1% all those nurses and HCA ( who earn a total pittance) are actually getting worse off each year, and the attraction of easier jobs must increase as each year goes by.

Aren't they looking to increase corporation tax?

Don't get me wrong, I love my job, but now my trust have cut agency spending and failed to recruit into posts because there are more posts than trained clinicians (I'm just one of 38000 mental health nurses left, and that number is rapidly decreasing), working a 13.5 hour shift for £11 an hour, whilst being the sole nurse responsible for the health of 125 ish prisoners makes my job that bit less enjoyable, you know?

Fruit PFI may not have been a Labour invention in other fields, but the first use of PFI in the NHS was Labour under Blair. Fact, not media spin.

They'll increase the national debt and we'll pay more tax, then when the Tories get in in the future, they'll make even harsher cuts to pay the debt off.

I'm happy for consultants to have a pay rise too, I think they deserve it! I just don't think you can compare the neediness of a pay rise for a porter to that of a consultant.

Fruit PFI may not have been a Labour invention in other fields, but the first use of PFI in the NHS was Labour under Blair. Fact, not media spin.

It was actually in 1992. Pretty sure labour were not in power at that point!

Yes jellyfrizz because it was the Torys who sold all our gold for tuppence ha'penny 🙄🙄

I just think that it's a bit of a stretch to say that all hcp's should get a payrise. Some undoubtedly should, some are already overpaid and others need to be unceremoniously fired to make sure they never get near another patient. Pretty much like any other large employer.

Treating it like the national religion (in which the saintly hcp's are revered whatever the costs) won't improve anything.

My job is anything but saintly!

Anyway, yes some need a pay rise more than others but to make things feel fair everyone would need to be given one. Otherwise we have people complaining of socialist idealism

They'll increase the national debt and we'll pay more tax, then when the Tories get in in the future, they'll make even harsher cuts to pay the debt off.

Historical evidence shows that the Conservative have been the biggest borrowers while in power over the last 70 years (link a little way back on this thread, cba looking for it again).

I apologise. You're right, the first PFI in the NHS was Tory. But far from denouncing it or suggesting it was back door privatisation, Labour not only ran with it but went mad with it.

Between 1997 and 2008, 90 per cent of all hospital construction funding was under PFI agreements, which paid for 75 per cent of all hospitals built.

There is a shit load of money in this country, look at all the prestigious cars, second homes, sales of luxury goods, ludicrous prices of property in the South East. It just stays in the hands of a few fortunate families. It means they have an easy life and lots of power and don't want to give that up, which is kind of understandable but is frankly, fucking greedy and absolutely not good for this country as a whole - austerity is expensive: www.newstatesman.com/economics/2013/07/austerity-has-cost-uk-3500-every-household
Fairer taxation and a bit of sharing would go a long way to creating a more civilised, fairer society. 55K isn't a huge amount if you live in the South East and have a family, but also is a pretty decent living wage and I don't mind paying higher rate tax at all , in fact I support it - I just wish it wasn't the Tories spending it.
Does anyone over the age of 12 actually, really think pay is awarded on a sliding scale according to those who work the hardest? Do we not have an obligation as a society to look after those who are unable to work the system due to ill health or even just bad luck? What is wrong with a bit of sharing?

Pretty much no junior doctor gets 22k anyway, with the unsociable hours and overtime baked in.

And don't get me started on NHS pensions. 7.1% of salary for a decent pension. You don't know you're born. I'd probably have to be sinking 71% to get what you're getting.

Sidge

Agree, due to the massive population increase in the country I can't see the NHS being sustainable.

There is a need for a massive shakeup, to cull the amount of administrative and management positions, that would save a vast amount however it would just delay the inevitable

Where are all these policies from Labour to save the NHS. Has Labour even promised to give them more money?

I apologise. You're right, the first PFI in the NHS was Tory. But far from denouncing it or suggesting it was back door privatisation, Labour not only ran with it but went mad with it.

You mean New Labour (tory-lite) not labour.

Yes jellyfrizz because it was the Torys who sold all our gold for tuppence ha'penny 🙄🙄

?? The Gold Standard was abandoned under a coalition government.

Pretty much no junior doctor gets 22k anyway, with the unsociable hours and overtime baked in.

Ooh, so you want people to work unsociable hours and overtime for free? I get it now.

Not many nurses take home £22k gross either. But for the majority of my shifts I am paid £11 an hour.

They will end up taxing the fuck out of middle class people who have the audacity to have a decent job. And it still won't be enough, but hey, the politics of envy will be satisfied

This.

JC is so vehemently into whipping up the politics of envy.
His campaign launch was scarily like a call to arms for the workers to rise up and overthrow the nasty, ruling elite.

And what are your thoughts on this?