To ask how the NHS will be saved by labour

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Currently reading a lot of conservative bashing on FB etc about the privatisation of the NHS, I've seen the labour promise to 'save the NHS' but I haven't seen anything about how they will fund this. AIBU to ask if anyone knows?

This is exactly how labour will fund public services - all fully costed.

www.labour.org.uk/page/-/PDFs/ONLINE%209660_17%20HMT%20Manifesto%20pamphlet%20.pdf

And the full labour manifesto

www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Labour%20Manifesto%202017.pdf

^ the irony is the 58 billion pound hole in that costing seems a bit small given how much nationalising that stuff could actually cost. Going by past costs, a hundred billion or more outside the "costed budget" would be completely plausible.

This is whats slowly happening

costing seems a bit small given how much nationalising that stuff could actually cost

Professor of Economics Jonathan Portes,Kings College London from 11:37

Should have posted the link as well

Prof David Graeber from the London School of Economics wrote about the “remarkable hostility displayed by even the left-of-centre media”. He said the elites are hostile because a Corbyn election victory would be a “dramatic decline” in their “personal power and influence”. According to Graeber, Corbyn wants to devolve power from elites to ordinary people. And that’s why the political establishment throw vitriol at him.

Why did Labour ignore benefits?

Is it because they're not making the changes that they've been railing against when denouncing the Evil Murdering Tories?

Because if they are going to reverse the changes, they seem to have forgotten to cost them.

Their bar for 'wealthy' is ridiculously low. They will end up taxing the fuck out of middle class people who have the audacity to have a decent job. And it still won't be enough, but hey, the politics of envy will be satisfied

^ This, a million times over.

The problem with dramatic rhetoric about 'saving the crisis hit NHS' is that it avoids dealing with the real issue.

The NHS is not in crisis, Society is and the NHS is relentlessly having to pick up the pieces.

We have an ageing population but successive governments have failed to plan for this eventuality and its effects on health & care services.

There is an obesity epidemic that has led to unprecedented levels of people on high blood pressure medication and tablets to treat type 2 diabetes.

We need a non partisan discussion on the NHS, it's just too important a service to be caught in the middle of squabbling politicians.

Completely agree Poppy and in addition, in recent years we've had an influx of immigrants and and EU migrants entitled to use the NHS, who may or may not be contributing taxes and NI but not enough to pay for the added strain on NHS services. Those people are also providing us with something of a baby boom, so we are looking at a situation in the not too distant future where there are elderly people and many very young people, but not enough people in the middle earning enough to adequately fund the NHS through taxation. The model just doesn't work any longer. It needs to be changed to reflect the changes in our society and where we are going in the future.

Yeah, Lalegue, all those immigrants coming over here, staffing our NHS...

Could do with a dedicated politics thread.

Their bar for 'wealthy' is ridiculously low.

Seems really high from where I'm sitting at the bottom so I'm guessing its a subjective thing