To ask how the NHS will be saved by labour

[mummytwoshoes]

Currently reading a lot of conservative bashing on FB etc about the privatisation of the NHS, I've seen the labour promise to 'save the NHS' but I haven't seen anything about how they will fund this. AIBU to ask if anyone knows?

[missyB1]

It's depressing to see how all the Tory spin/lies about the NHS and its staff has sucked so many people in. Wish people would wake up and smell the coffee, we are a first world Country and we can afford a first world healthcare system but it's all about priorities, you can't have it on the cheap I'm afraid! If the public and the Government truly value our NHS then they have to be prepared to pay more for it, the rest of Europe get that concept and spend more of their GDP on healthcare than we do.

Stop letting the Tories and the media tell you that we can't afford the NHS. They tell you that because they want a two tier system, a basic Government healthcare for the poor, and more specialised higher quality healthcare for those who can afford private health insurance.

[x2boys]

the rot in the NHS started along time before Conservative came into power so somehow i cant see labour saving it and i was a band five nurse for many years i was paid alot more than £22,000 even those on £22,000 will get significantly more with shift enhancements [although i can see them going eventually] i dont think either labour or conservative are great tbh but people have short memories when it comes to the NHS.

[AndNowItIsSeven]

"I agree Saucery, we are not wealthy, we rely on dh income of £55k, but are taxed 40% on that already, if Labour get in, even more. So its not like they are targeting the million and billionaires , they are targeting the ordinary middle class."
There is nothing ordinary about earning £55k is more than double the average wage in the Uk and many people earn much less than £26k.

[user1471439240]

Sadly to raise any meaningful tax from income then it will always be the middle who pay.
The over £85k cohort are simply too few, around 5%. The fat will always be the 38k-85k, beneath that then again, the net tax take is too little.
Most people realise tax is part of life, but increasingly the middle are asking for fairness.
In work benefits are increasingly negating any added effort to bother gaining decent renumeration, that is the elephant in the room.
It can be hoped that securing another five years in office will see the playing field levelled for the middle.

[HeyHoThereYouGo657]

No fan of Commie Corbyn but bullshit at "we earned it" .. NOT every rich person "earned it" . .. Accident of birth .. nothing more and nothing less in those cases .

Don't like Commie Corbyn or Racist Abbott so not like I'm voting Labour either .

[Saucery]

By that reckoning, HeyHo, you could say that not everyone who claims benefits is unable to work. labour is defining 'rich' as anyone earning over 80,000, which when you take the tax off that really isn't as much as it looks by a long way. As you can't pick and choose which 'rich' person has worked for it and which hasn't it's unfair to label them all as deserving of yet another tax burden. Where's the incentive if we're all going to be dragged down salary-wise.

[Radishal]

As pp has said: Fairies and pixie dust. JC is hopeless and we are stuck with the Tories.

[Valentine2]

I hope it's from that fucking Trident. Will spare enough money to save all the saving NHS needs.

[user1471439240]

The problem Labour have is that anyone working above minimum wage realises that in Labours eyes they are rich.
Thats how socialsm works, the workers have finally realised, and are deserting them in their millions.
The benefit class will remain.
Other people's money - its like Opium.

[FruitCider]

The 7% pension contributions are so small as to be negligible, it is frankly astounding that people believe they are paying for Public sector works pensions.
Its about time financial literacy is taught at school.
Even the new STATE pension of £153 per week would require a pension pot of £264,000 for a Woman, and £247,000 for a man.
To put this into perspective, it would mean a person would have to pay around in around £450 per month for 30 years - this is for the STATE pension.
The financial illiteracy is frankly astounding in the Uk, all this "ive paid in all my life", if only they knew - perhaps they secretly do.
Education is required, the financial entitlement is bizarre.
Hence Labour and the magic money tree....

My father in law always pipes up about "I was a higher tax payer blah blah". I point out to him every time that he has barely paid for his state pension, let alone his health care, the births of his 6 children, their healthcare and his wives healthcare.

I said up thread that I would be happy to pay more for a nhs pension - I used to contribute 15% when I worked for the private sector.

[Izzy24]

On the nail MissyB1.


We have to pay more. And we could.

Also, we MUST address obesity.

[Anon213]

Jeremy Corbyn is going to take the wealth back from the 'rich' and then give everyone a £10 minimum wage. Isn't that how communism works? Its been a while since I read Karl Max.

Do you need to use a food bank if your on £10 an hour?

Who do you take the money from when there are no 'rich' people left?

Cuba has a great NHS apparently, perhaps we should use that model?

[JustAnotherPoster00]

labour is defining 'rich' as anyone earning over 80,000, which when you take the tax off that really isn't as much as it looks by a long way

ODFOD

[Saucery]

Mature, JustAnotherPoster, so mature. Politics of envy riiiight there, I'd say.

[Saucery]

THe fact that this 80,000 is just a smidge higher than an MP's salary is telling, too.

[ChestnutsRoastingOnAnOpenFire]

The problem with targeted taxes is groups of people feel got at.

Removing child benefit etc was a mistake as people don't want to pay into systems where they perceive they won't get anything back (even if that's not true, the perception is important).

Also, the mugs who pay for everything are employees on PAYE, i.e. middle earners. The real rich are self employed and can pay accountants to manage their taxes efficiently.

Healthcare needs a rethink. If we do that or stick with the system we have we need to fund it properly and fairly reward the staff who work in it. But targeted taxes are not the way to win votes from the masses.

[JustAnotherPoster00]

Politics of envy riiiight there

Nope just cant stand the bullshit of 80k not being rich, just because it doesnt give you the feelz of being rich. I get less than 10k a year so pp's who think 80k isnt rich can fuck right off to the far side of fuck

[FruitCider]

Isn't that how communism works? Its been a while since I read Karl Max.

That was the best laugh I've had in ages, thanks!

[peukpokicuzo]

reallyanotherone big chunks being privatised , aka "social enterprise" labours idea which makes it impossible to do your job well

Can you tell me more? I was under the impression that social enterprises are an acceptable compromise between public ownership and privatisation - being not-for-profit. My objection to privatisation is the fundamentally immoral nature of profiteering from a sick individual in need of treatment. I had thought a social enterprise model would be a reasonable way to devolve decision making to professionals rather than ignorant MPs like Heremy Cunt without profiteering. Why is this a bad thing?

[FruitCider]

www.facebook.com/TRTP2/videos/802944466531142/

I work for a social enterprise, the organisation applies for tenders, if they win the tender and run the service any profits are reinvested into improvements in service.

[FruitCider]

Hopefully this link will work better, enjoy!

[roarityroar]

FruitCider you seem to convinced there is a magical pot of money. There bloody isn't. The more we borrow now, the deeper the cuts in th future.

[FruitCider]

What part of "national debt has massively increased under a Tory government" did you not understand the last few times it has been said?

[JustAnotherPoster00]

FruitCider

Cant believe that still applies and they complain that Corbyn is a throwback, thats 1 personat least, not an entire party

[grasspigeons]

The private companies that run around 7% of NHS services now don't do it for free! One went bust and all take billions of tax payers moneyor delivering services and making a profit. Why would a privately run NHS cost less?