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Do people really think no black British or immigrants voted Brexit?

182 replies

streetface · 09/05/2017 10:11

Just that really. Laughing at some of the comments about Brexit being a racist vote from people who don't like 'brown people'.

I wonder how many of these people commenting live in predominantly black areas and are remotely aware of how many non-white people voted for Brexit. Lots of naive Mumsnetters.

OP posts:
WoodPigeonInFlight · 09/05/2017 13:39

Not all brexit voters were racist, but all rascists voted Brexit

Ah, the AC Grayling approach.

You do know that just repeating untruths frequently doesn't make them true?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/05/2017 13:46

You do know that just repeating untruths frequently doesn't make them true?

Wait, what? Are you saying youre a racist and you voted to remain? Hmm

user1493022461 · 09/05/2017 13:46

There are plenty of good reasons to vote out without immigration coming into it

Name 3.

And for the vast majority, immigration was certainly on the list, if not the top of it.

WoodPigeonInFlight · 09/05/2017 13:49

Wait, what? Are you saying youre a racist and you voted to remain?

I don't know where you get that idea from. Have you checked all the 16 plus million remain voters though?

Seren85 · 09/05/2017 13:50

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WoodPigeonInFlight · 09/05/2017 13:51

How are you voting JustAnother?

wasonthelist · 09/05/2017 13:53

And for the vast majority, immigration was certainly on the list, if not the top of it.

Based on what evidence?

wasonthelist · 09/05/2017 13:55

Not all brexit voters were racist, but all rascists voted Brexit

This is such a ridiculous assertion that it's almost not worth bothering to refute.

No-one can possibly know this.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/05/2017 13:56

So woodpigeon, heres some anecdata for you to begin with Grin

Before the referendum one guy I know said 'I'm going to vote leave yeah cos I hate paki's yeah' [anger] Gave me the fucking rage

Are you saying while in the ballot box he suddenly decided, no wait thinking about it the level of funding Wales gets in agricultural subsidies I should probably vote to remain? Really? Hmm

An ICM poll conducted after the vote for Brexit found that 23% of Brexit voters (some 4 million of the 17.4 million Leave voters) supported the proposition that EU citizens living in the UK should be expelled, and UK citizens living elsewhere in the EU should be forcibly repatriated to the UK!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/05/2017 13:57

I'm a Labour member Wood, does that reaffirm your confirmation bias for you?

WoodPigeonInFlight · 09/05/2017 14:03

I'm a Labour member Wood, does that reaffirm your confirmation bias for you?

It fits with my theory and I don't say that with any pleasure.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/05/2017 14:06

It fits with my theory and I don't say that with any pleasure.

Hmm
WoodPigeonInFlight · 09/05/2017 14:08

Not all brexit voters were racist, but all rascists voted Brexit

So woodpigeon, heres some anecdata for you to begin with

Before the referendum one guy I know said 'I'm going to vote leave yeah cos I hate paki's yeah' [anger] Gave me the fucking rage

Are you saying while in the ballot box he suddenly decided, no wait thinking about it the level of funding Wales gets in agricultural subsidies I should probably vote to remain? Really?

Are you being serious? That shows that one racist voted leave. To prove your ridiculous theory you need to show that every racist in the country voted leave and that no racists voted remain. I'm sure you realise that really.

user1493759849 · 09/05/2017 14:08

There are plenty of good reasons to vote out without immigration coming into it

Name 3 reasons.

And for the vast majority, immigration was certainly on the list, if not the top of it.

@user1493022462

I can name waaaaay more than 3 reasons to leave the 'Union.'

  1. EU are bossy and controlling

  2. Waste of money. 1.2 billion pounds a month we're dishing out to prop up 2 dozen other countries.

  3. No control of anything, the EU are the boss - God forbid we don't fall in line!

  4. No control over our own borders - getting our little hands smacked if we don't let the 100s of 1000's of so-called refugees in.

  5. Everywhere in Europe is in the Schengen zone, except us. We have to show our passports and get searched coming back into our OWN country. No-one else in Europe has to do that if they travel to another EU country and back again.

  6. We can't make our own business deals without the bossy control freaks EU poking their oar in and taking a cut.

  7. They are corrupt.

  8. They only benefit the wealthy in the UK, and whilst it was a good idea 40 years ago, the EU does not benefit the UK now in any way, shape, or form.

  9. Constantly told what we can and cannot do by the EU.

  10. No longer fit for purpose.

Want any more reasons hun?

WoodPigeonInFlight · 09/05/2017 14:11

I don't know what the Hmm is for. I think it is heart- breaking that so many on the left seem to think that it is 1) acceptable and 2) effective to insult and denigrate anyone who disagrees with them. We are in a mess. I would love someone to explain to me how we have got to this situation.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 09/05/2017 14:45

I think it is heart- breaking that so many on the left seem to think that it is 1) acceptable and 2) effective to insult and denigrate anyone who disagrees with them.

I don't see that's what's heart-breaking at all. For me, it doesn't even enter the top...5 about what's so tragic about where we are as a country right now. I agree with you its a mess. Thanks

For me, successive politicians have tried to scapegoat immigrants and the EU as responsible for many of the woes of people's lives. It's served a purpose - but I don't believe that's true. The facts don't support it either. That makes me really sad.

I think Cameron called the referendum to unify the party and we all got dragged in - and he foolishly failed to understand the ground-swell of opinion against EU and immigration. That makes me angry.

I believe leaving the EU will be shit for most of us and catastrophic for some businesses and communities. That makes me v. sad.

I hate the fact that my EU friends are feeling so insecure - because of this vote.

I hate the fact that our jobs are not strong or stable - because of this vote.

When you ask some leavers (not all) for their reasons, they don't add up in any way - they are based on lies and mis-information. (and racism) I'm sorry if that's unpalatable, but this has been my experience in RL. I live in a big leave area. That makes me sad.

On Mumsnet, my experience has been, most leavers, (with an exception of say, two I could name off my head) don't seem able to engage in political or economic debate - 'we've done all that' but prefer to divert any discussion away from 'issues' to the old 'we are not ALL racist or thick'.

Actually, that one is not heart-breaking Grin that's just annoying.

Giddyaunt18 · 09/05/2017 15:05

So true OP. The views I have heard; lumping every Brexit voter together dressed and dressing them up as Alf Garnet, so naive.

Valentine2 · 09/05/2017 15:12

I think the main pattern that emerged in Leavers and Remainers was basically what I posted upthread. It's also broadly in my non Asian/white British/European friends.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/05/2017 15:21

5) Everywhere in Europe is in the Schengen zone, except us. We have to show our passports and get searched coming back into our OWN country. No-one else in Europe has to do that if they travel to another EU country and back again.

We are not in Schengen as our government didn't want us to be

LittleLionMansMummy · 09/05/2017 15:22

I'm with JustAnother actually. Anyone in any doubt should pop along to the Leave.EU pages (notably Facebook) to have their eyes opened. And many, if not openly racist and xenophobic are just downright vile. For example, on the French election result "France deserves all the terrorism it's going to get now, I hope Britain won't be offering to help". Of course shit attitudes exist on both sides of the divide but the very worst of it seems to reside with Leave.

Lionking1981 · 09/05/2017 15:33

I have always believed that the people saying the vote was about racism are misinformed. We have a high Asian population and I know many of them voted out. One did so openly and proudly when my dh was in the polling booth. It was about class. The people who felt their communities change rapidly, the people who saw their wages drop or stagnate, the people who suddenly could not get a gp appointment or get their children into the schools that themselves and their families went to - they are the people who voted out. Of course some racists voted out too but that's not why brexit won IMO.

BillSykesDog · 09/05/2017 15:34

My DH is a migrant and voted out. He works in an industry (construction) that is badly affected by large waves of transient workers. It's always been a very mixed industry that has needed to bring people in from outside because they needed skills, but it's not skills they're wanted for now, just to drive down what employers can pay and the conditions they can offer. It would just have got worse and worse if more ascension states had joined and we were still in.

Hapaxlegomenon · 09/05/2017 15:35

Can people stop calling others as turkeys voting for Christmas?! Ahhhhhhh

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/05/2017 15:36

I don't think many people are clued up enough to have made the decision

How patronising Hmm I'm the first to agree that some may not be "clued up", but to suggest that most aren't is surely a bit much?

BillSykesDog · 09/05/2017 15:36

lionking, there are jobs on building sites which have been dominated by Indians traditionally as they're dirty, hard work and not very well paid so not many people want to do them. A lot of them are very angry because things have got a lot worse for them since Romanian labour flooded the market. They've lost things that made it worthwhile like overtime payments.

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