Do people really think no black British or immigrants voted Brexit?

[streetface]

Just that really. Laughing at some of the comments about Brexit being a racist vote from people who don't like 'brown people'.

I wonder how many of these people commenting live in predominantly black areas and are remotely aware of how many non-white people voted for Brexit. Lots of naive Mumsnetters.

That wasn't at you hiveofactivity. I happen to agree with you on that.

Streetface, I still don't understand your op - or what you are subsequently trying to say.

Do you actually think that Brexit could never be a racist vote because you know some black people voted Brexit?

Is that your argument here?

Why do you find it so funny when people say racists voted Brexit?

I wish some of the userrandomnumbers posters would change their names

It can get very confusing

And yes i know the numbers are all different but you still have to double check when there are two users with very different views on a thread

Well I could say I was thick then. I voted remain but didn't know enough about the EU really to make an informed choice.

I don't think many people are clued up enough to have made the decision. To claim everyone who voted is 'thick' isn't the best argument I've heard if I'm honest.

I blame the politicians. Them and them alone.

And don't even get me started on that new French leader Macron.

Aww, a Le Pen supporter. How nice.

My DM is Indian. She would have voted Brexit but didn't because she asked what I thought would be better for my kids. She also doesn't like Muslims. Not all 'brown' people are the same. Different Asian religious groups hate each other quite a lot.

Agree street

I reckon that most people didnt have a bloody clue what they were voting for

We had soundbites and perceptions and no explanation of what sort of brexit

histinyhands You are completely missing my point. A few posts after my OP I quoted the post specifically.

There appears to be SOME people on here that genuinely think ONLY white people voted. That ONLY people who 'hate brown people' voted Brexit.

I'm glad to see from the responses that a lot of reminders understand it is not as simple as that.

Others do not apparently understand highly educated people voted Brexit too. This blanket 'thick, white, racist' argument is laughable as it is such a 'thick' argument. It completely misunderstands the complexity of the issue and as far as I am concerned, these blanket assumptions about people are a large part of the reason people felt so disenfranchised that they voted against what they were 'told what is best' for them.

user1493759849 - capitalising parts of your post does not give what you say any more force or veracity. It just makes you sound rude.

"remainers" not "reminders" sorry.

I'm not missing your point. In your op, you said, you are laughing at the idea that people think Brexit was a racist vote.

I know many people who voted Brexit for racist reasons. Why is that so funny?

If you weighed it all up, and thought: I know, Nigel Farage, Johnson, Davies and Rees-Mogg (Trump and Putin) are the side I want to be on, they will surely look after my country and me, against most moderate politicians, scientists, business leaders, civil servants, then good for you - take responsibility for your vote.

If you voted Brexit, but you didn't really want to, you just thought, 'oh I hate being told what to do,' then I reserve the right to call you stupid.

And that's a compliment.

I read up a lot on the EU before I voted

for me it was never an issue we are part of it and that was the way it was I just accepted it I never gave it much thought

the more I read up the more I found issues that I didn't agree with and starting questioning the EU but felt the good (and the intention) outweighed what I didn't like so reluctantly voted Remain

I think very few people actually have a real in depth understanding of how the EU works (I certainly don't) so the vast majority of us are voting for something we have little knowledge of

that isn't really a good thing to have such little knowledge for all of us

Street

I read the article. What happened to the white child would have been exactly the same had it happened to a black child and should be treated as equally abhorrent and named in the same way. We are all humans and all worth the same and all deserve to be treated equally. Treating something done to a white child as less abhorrent than if the child were black is thus treating the white child as lesser than. Treating people as lesser than is what created the disgusting abuses of human rights perpetuated on blacks and many others in the first place. We cannot go on and right the past. We can only move forward to the future and I would love to see a day when everyone is geniunely treated as equal. This takes everyone to pull together and recognise that we are equal. I therefore do not agree with what you are saying and I'm sorry if that offends you. I am saying it precisely because I think saying it's racism for one child and not another is part of the problem as to why there sadly are inequalities in our society.

A few others I spoke to had no clue we pay £350 mil a WEEK in

And they are the ones who you claim didn't know anything about the EU? It was pointed out immediately that that figure was completely incorrect. Aside from that, it is impossible to calculate the costs of membership fully because it is hard to quantify the economic benefits of our membership of the single market, which is undoubtedly worth more to the economy than the cost of our membership.

I think Brexit was a chance for racist voters to vote but they have had their chances before and thankfully far right groups like the BNP have never been successful at elections - I am well aware that UKIP has picked up their votes but the have also picked up voters that felt left being

Brexit was also a chance for a change for many people, people who felt they have been left behind for years by Labour and the Tories and the coalition they were given a chance of real change and many took it

how politician's didn't see that coming is the root of the problem

histinyhandsarefrozen. You are missing my point because you put a full stop where there isn't one which completely changes what it says.

the £350 million figure why do you think people believed this

some may of but many people are so mistrusting of politicians (and trust Boris come on people can see through him they just like him) they don't believe what they said but what happened was an argument broke out about the actual number, this got confusing as different figures were given these were still huge about of money

Remain stayed with the argument Leave moved on and the question that we were left with is what is the actual figure - to this day I am sill not sure as have read different about but I believe that was the point and people were not happy with it being a maybe number shouldn't we know exactly what the figure is

I don't understand turkey voted for Christmas, I keep seeing that commented about brexit.

mummyoflittledragon

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reverse-racism-isnt-a-thing_us_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97

This explains it much better. I agree abuse is abuse and should be treated as such but that isn't what I am saying. I am saying it is not racism. If a white person is called a name or bullied by a black person it does not reinforce or change the structure of society. the white person will continue to enjoy the privileges that being white bring once they leave that space.
When an entire system and structure of society is set up against you because of your skin colour. That is racism. When you call someone of colour a racist name you are reinforcing the system that is set up against them. They cannot escape that by walking out of the school.

And mummyoflittle I realise that link is talking about the US but it applies to most of Europe in my view.

Just like when I, as a woman, get called 'sexist'. I don't think I can be 'sexist' against a man. Prejudice, bigoted, ignorant, yes. Sexist? No.

I understand a lot of people don't agree and don't understand it and it doesn't offend me. It sounds like I am saying we are not equal but that isn't the message. Anyway, this is going a little of tangent now so will leave you with that. :)

Surely it is still racist to vote against the immigration of predominantly white Eastern Europeans to the UK if you are black or Asian? or does racism only count if it is against blacks and Asians?

I voted Brexit because I didn't believe in a federal Europe, which is what the Eu is heading towards. I'm not sure why that is thick or bigoted I want to be friends and allies not in a political union.

mothertucker3. See links above. No. That's not racism. It may be lots of bad things. Racism it isn't.

It's hilarious that everyone who voted to remain, assumes that the 'leave' voters are all nasty little middle aged white people

Oh hell, I thought we'd stopped massive generalisations about leavers/remainers. They are all meaningless: people had multiple and differing reasons (or none) for voting as they did.

So people who are not fully up to speed with the workings of the EU are 'thick'?

Yes. Or, at least, people who voted Leave not on the basis of an informed opinion on the EU are. Well, either thick or perverse. Why would you vote for something so important without trying to get yourself at least somewhat up to speed on it?

How about being angry at David 'call me Dave' Cameron for asking people in the first place. I'm angry with him too. It is entirely possible to feel anger at more than one person/group at the same time.