Why is MN so transphobic?

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I really don't understand it but it makes me sad. Trans people just want to get on with their lives and are at more risk of being harmed or murdered than anyone else.

Then why did they tell me I was?

User how your father treated you was awful I'm not surprised you're hurting.

You father was an abuser.
And you were an abused child - I am so sorry.

Of course boys play with dolls, and that does not make them less of a boy.

It's totally shit that you were told that as a child and that the adults around you were so rigid in their enforcement of gender stereotypes. Liking dolls and pink is clearly absolutely fine for any child, irrespective of their sex. No one should be abused for liking something that is traditionally associated with the opposite gender stereotype.

Well they said i might grow up to be gay but my parents didn't want that. They told me it must mean I was born in the wrong body and was really a girl.

I didn't even know what being gay was :/

My son's favourite toys are his dolly and buggy. He doesn't know they're "for girls" because I haven't said that to him. Gender is not innate. As far as he's concerned they're just toys he likes to play with.

Why would you accept something just because someone else tells you so?

Because people are sexist and have rigid ideas of gender roles.
There's nothing wrong with being a boy that likes traditionally feminine things. It's all cultural. Nothing is inherently feminine or masculine except our bodies.

How old are you op?

I think you would really benefit from some therapy or counselling around your abusive childhood.

Oh I remember a time when I too would look at people in news articles and on threads like this and think 'why can't you just leave people alone?' 'Just live and let live. They aren't doing any harm'.

But like so many before me , the scales fell from my eyes and I realised that this just didn't make any sense. That there were real world implications to the laws being changed. That there were real and long lasting implications for children, for women and LGBT people. That real concerns were being ignored in favour of 'being on the right side of history'.

I long to be like that person I was before. When I could easily say 'yes lets do all of these things. It's progress'. I want somebody to make it OK again. I want to be a happy clappy liberal again. I want somebody to make logical sense about this. It's just, I know they can't.

OP did you have a lot of counseling before your surgery? I would have thought that all of this would have been something that would have been brought up and discussed there, and not be a surprise to you now.

Because of rigid gender stereotypes. Children are being 'transed' now if they don't fit into neat little pink and blue boxes yet those who question this are the ones on the wrong side of history!

Thought experiment. Replace 'trans' in those quotes with 'gay'

The comparison doesn't work. Sexuality is primarily about who you're attracted to, so referring to one's own feelings of sexual attraction is the appropriate way to define it. Sex is about physical biology, and that's the only way to define it.

Then why did they tell me I was?

OP, I'm going to answer in good faith that you are genuine.

Because they were neanderthal abusers intent on keeping women in their place by ensuring that 'women's work' stays in the sphere of women, whether consciously or unconsciously.

I'm horribly sorry that happened to you, it's awful, and I'm unsurprised it left scars. Feminists fight against that kind of thing. Feminists fight against the idea that there are girl things and boy things. That there is a right way to feel like a woman and be a woman, and a right way to feel like a man and be a man.

So when people say that a boy liking pink and dolls is a 'girl' thing and indicates that boy is closer to being 'a girl' than other boys, it undermines what we've been working so hard to change. It sets us back and tries to box us back into the historical position of social and economic inferiority and weakness that we have spent the last century trying to dismantle and escape. Gender stereotypes are damaging and yes, they do hurt us. As you have learned so horribly, they also hurt men and boys.

My younger son spent half of yesterday pushing a dollie in the pink pram we picked up for a pound at the charity shop. Then my husband took him for a walk in his pushchair. My husband is no less 'feminine' for taking part in childcare activities than my son is for imitating that behaviour in his play, as children do naturally as part of learning and developing.

Those who suggest that dolls and prams are only for girls are also implying that babies are the work of women. And that's not ok.

OP, you do realise that this new wave of trans ideology is very homophobic? Lesbians are being told they are transphobic because they won't have sex with fully intact males?

Fully intact males, who have no desire to fully transition (surgery, hormones) are calling themselves lesbians. Some lesbian women have been kicked out of LGB groups because they have pointed this out.

Please look up Magdalen Burns. And then look up Riley J Denis/Danielle Muscato and see where this is going.

Oh please people use your critical faculties
That's all I'm saying

Some lesbian women have been kicked out of LGB groups because they have pointed this out.

You're not actually serious.

I agree Galla

Ok I see the confusion.

You OP are what would have been known as transsexual in old money. Whether this is because of your abusive upbringing or something else is something you should probably explore with a qualified therapist.

The current trans movement has been taken over by activists and social justice warriors and I do believe at least some of them want to harm women, certainly according to some of the tweets I and other feminists have received. These people harm women and transwomen like you who want to get on with their lives. 5 years ago we didn't have these issues and there was mutual respect.

Trans currently covers every random feeling to pass through a person's head. The current movement is incredibly lesbophobic (in particular) and harmful to everyone.

If you do want to explore gender politics more and the concerns of women start with Miranda Hartley and Magdalen Berns. Theres a good blog called a guy called Helen.

Yep, Ferrets

Look up Magdalen Burns

Thanks for posting, OP. It makes me really sad that MN is so transphobic.

Miranda yardley
I know Miranda hart is a tall woman but she's all female I believe

Gender stereotypes hurt everyone. My son has played with dolls and prams, had long swishy hair. He's still a boy. My husband works in a 'typically female' profession. He's definitely a hetero male.

Liking certain colours /toys /clothes doesn't mean you are in the wrong body, it means kids are being socialised to fit in with stereotypes from an early age.

Being able to self identify as the opposite sex means that women cannot choose a female Dr /nurse for their gynae procedure, because anyone can say they are female.

It means that my daughter may never have a chance of winning in sport against a male bodied person who chooses to compete as female.

It means that a man can volunteer in a single sex group like the girl guides and accompany our daughters on residential trips.

It means that lesbians are being accused of bigotry for not wanting sex with penis owners.

That's about maintaining the safe spaces and protection that women need, as a sex class who are oppressed because of their biology. Being pro women doesn't mean anti men, or anti trans-identifying males, but protecting women.

Sorry, somehow missed that rediculous auto correct. Clearly I meant Yardley!!