To ask if you think Jeremy Corbin will stand down after GE?

[LenaDunham]

Sorry, I know there are so many threads about the GE/politics.

I am just wondering what will happen after the GE. I am a Labour supporter and will vote Labour but I think it is highly likely Labour will come out very badly.

Will Jererny resign? Will there be a split? Are we really going to have Tory gov't again???

Anyone have any insights to give me hope?

I think Brexit is the most important issue the UK has faced for some time. JC has completely let us down with his failure to campaign effectively during the referendum, his failure to mount any form of effective opposition or set out an alternative position in opposition to the Tory hard Brexit, and his general appearance of simply not caring about it. I can't forgive him for that, and will not be voting for Labour with him as leader (despite being a member).

I also have no faith that he would be any more competent on other policies if he were PM. He does seem to care about people and I like him in many ways. But he and people like Diane Abbott just don't inspire any confidence in me. I would not trust him to make the tough decisions a leader needs to take. He also seems to have no understanding of the business and financial institutions that, like it or not, are huge drivers of the modern economy (not only in the U.K. but also in Europe and the rest of the world).

I feel deeply depressed at the state of the political parties at present. It feels as though any vote I cast is going to be reluctant. I just hope that the massive defeat Labour will suffer means that the Labour Party wakes up and realises it needs to make a change.

Why I don't support Corbyn:

• He is a misogynist
• He does not care about anti semitism
• He does not have the support of his own MPs
• Multiple MPs who I respect say they have found him impossible to work with
• He seems to have absolutely no idea of how to actually campaign, beyond speaking to supporters at rallies. It is harder if mainsteam media are against you, but you use other methods. SNP did this to great effect. Their campaigning, whether you support them or not, was excellent, while the mainstream media was against them.
• He comes across very poorly when being interviewed
• He comes across as irritated a lot of the time

This is not personality politics. Most people do not read Manifestos. I want a Labour party that will be elected. Anything else is simply pissing about. Corbyn will never be elected.

And he should shave off his beard and wear a tie. He does not even look like a potential PM.

I am an ex-labour member who will be either spoiling my ballot or voting Lib Dem. I think Corbyn is neither a saint his supporters make him out to or the bogeyman the right wing press see him as. He's just not up to the job of leading the opposition, let alone being Prime Minister.

Yes he has attracted a disproportionate amount of negative coverage, but even if the press published daily homilies to his competency, it wouldn't change the fact he doesn't have a programme for government, can't put together a shadow cabinet and doesn't have the confidence of his colleagues in parliament. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

And he has supported terrorists. Never a great past on which to try and get elected from.

All the Corbyn supporters who keep accusing those of us who think he's hopeless of being sheep, brainwashed by the MSm etc : you're one of the main reasons I've decided not to vote labour.

It's patronising and annoying but - more importantly - deluded and complacent and led me to conclude that hitting rock bottom fast is the only way labour will be in with a prayer at the next election.

So well done and maybe think about your approach?

What use are any of JCs policies if a) he hasn't got a team with the intelligence to implement them, b) no one will vote for him to implement them, c) there is no money to pay for the policies, d) his own MPs think he is incompetent e) Brexit. Hence we look to the man because if the man is the problem the policies are irrelevant.

The presidential reference was an interesting one.

I thought Hillary Clinton would have made a great president. But my heart sank when they chose her because she was the wrong candidate. Too many sticks to beat her with. Wishing it wasn't so doesn't make it not so.

I am watching JC speaking in Leicester on SKY news and he is going on about how successful they were on Thursday. This is the kind of delusion that makes me think he is an idiot.

I was just about to say the same as the poster above. From The Times this morning:
'Nevertheless Mr Corbyn insisted last night that his party was “closing the gap on the Conservatives”.'

Sadly I think Corbyn won't stand down regardless of the result on 8th June. Which will mean no effective opposition to the hard Brexiters she n the Tory party.

All the Corbyn supporters who keep accusing those of us who think he's hopeless of being sheep, brainwashed by the MSm etc : you're one of the main reasons I've decided not to vote labour.

Cut your nose off to spite your face if you wish. You may as well vote Tory then. I hope you enjoy the next 10 years of austerity.

I don't think he will stand down. And I imagine those that are with him will push through a change to the party constitution so that the PLP is no longer required to support the leader.

Once that's done he will preside over a minority party that offers no resistance to the Tory party.

threegirls123 that is dad, so doesn't it worry you when you read that Jeremy Corbyn has said that if he is elected he will give all primary school children free school meals?? Doesn't that show you that he is completely out of touch with the issues facing schools right now? What a complete and utter waste of money, when schools are facing budget shortfalls which means they can't actually educate the children in their care properly. That's what is putting me off voting labour. Diane Abbot didn't even know her party was 125 seats down at the local elections and told a reporter that they were 50 seats down. Then when she was told it was 125 seats she said 'oh well, when I last looked it was 100, but it's a very fluid thing'. How can we trust our country to people with such a slapdash attitude?

I think he has to stand down after GE.

I do think the PLP shouldn't have been so against him when he was running for leader mind. They were very arrogant to think they could attack and he wouldn't be elected leader. They made a rod for their own back there.

We need an electable left of centre candidate.

"There's also a feeling that he wants to secure a socialist successor which he cannot do at the moment"

So. He's not a Stalinist then? Or like the Kims in NKorea.

The labour party members supporting him need to get real if they actually want there to be a labour government.

It could well be the end of the party IMO.

gotta, Ffs would you just try for two minutes to listen to what I'm actually saying?

I don't want a tory government, I loathe austerity. I want the useless Corbyn out so that one day, a better government might be a possibility.

As for cutting my nose off etc: I live in a very safe blue constituency and - more importantly - NOTHING AT ALL will save labour from going down the toilet this election.

My vote matters not one jot. All I can do with it is send a message that I want to see change so we can rebuild long term.

JC and Diane Abbott - the gifts that just keep giving to the Tory party! I wouldn't leave those two in charge of looking after my dog, let alone the country!

I think he should go, but then again I think he should have gone already.

His failure to command the support of a massive majority of his MP's should have been pivotal in him resigning.

The reality is that this is the last gasp of the hard left and they have no intention of letting this opportunity pass by. I just can't see his momentum advisors and allies like Abbott and McDonnell letting him leave.

I'm a LP member and the level of almost evangelical reverence that some people feel for him is staggering. There's a huge amount of denial about the damage he is doing to the party.

There's an expectation that everyone else has "failed to see the light" and in time everyone will come to realise that he is in fact the second coming .

The fact that he has no appeal to many LP members and virtually no support from crucial swing voters seems to be airbrushed from the rhetoric.

Whether you support JC or not, the LP will not ever gain power whilst he is leader. Personally I'd prefer a dilution of the socialist agenda to have a leader and a party that could provide an effective opposition and have the opportunity to gain power in the future.

As time goes on that seems like wishful thinking.

If he doesn't leave after the GE I really think that a party split is inevitable.

I read somewhere that he needs to stay on until conference season so some Momentum-friendly permanent tweak to the leadership elections can be made, so don't hold your breath, Labour folks.

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www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/richard-heller-rallying-behind-yvette-cooper-is-the-final-hope-for-labour-this-is-how-to-do-it-1-8527482

Interesting article here. No idea if what he suggests is plausible or not.