To ask if you think Jeremy Corbin will stand down after GE?

[LenaDunham]

Sorry, I know there are so many threads about the GE/politics.

I am just wondering what will happen after the GE. I am a Labour supporter and will vote Labour but I think it is highly likely Labour will come out very badly.

Will Jererny resign? Will there be a split? Are we really going to have Tory gov't again???

Anyone have any insights to give me hope?

I just assumed he would, DH thinks he won't and now I have a horrible feeling he won't. I can't imagine how the Labour Party will survive if he doesn't and I really don't want to live in a one party state.

Who said Labour members will be voting Tory or not campaigning? Typical momentum shite. I've been leafleting for years. Where have you been? So sick of blow ins accusing me of being Blue Labour or Tory Light. I'm a socialist who will back my Party but not the fuckwits who are driving us and the country into a brick wall.

FFS! Stop making excuses for him. Of course the media and business and other elites are targeting him. Welcome to the world of being a Labour politician and learn to deal with it if you want to lead.

Of course he won't stand down he has a massive mandate from the Labour party members, its not really relevant what the public think. And if he stood down a red Tory might take the role and its more important he stops that than wins at any elections.

It wont be his fault when he loses the election it will be the right wing TV and newspapers. Don't forget he is a nice guy and his beliefs haven't changed since he was 18, so that's important.

It will be totally his fault anon as he hasn't done his job properly. Blaming the 'media' has worn thin with most people. He has no presence really in parliament and was useless over Brexit

drink I don't oppose budget cuts, I said the Tory's aren't doing it humanely. They're not. There could be a lot more balance in weighing down on big business more and on the disabled/unemployed less.

I also said I could not vote for a party that would increase the deficit. Labour want to increase public spending, we don't have the funds for this. Austerity needs to happen, cuts need to be made. Reassessing every disability living claimant in an incompetent and cruel manner is not the way to do this, amongst other fuck ups.

*tories

Corbyn's terrorist connections are not 'well known'. He has opened up lines of communication with terrorists just like many politicians including Tony Blair have done before him. This kind of communication has resulted in peace treaties in the past including with the IRA.

Hahaha, and you tell other people they are falling for spin...

Anon213 are you being sarcastic? I'm sorry, I really can't tell.

I do know that public perception is very relevant, nobody wants the Labour party to remain in opposition with minimal impact on policies, and my views have altered in some aspects since I was 18 (27 years ago - 49 years for JC) and I think that is a good thing.

I am so baffled by supposed labour votes turning their back on the party because Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable, can't lead etc.
You are all either tory trolls or just brainwashed by others who would prefer you didn't bother thinking for yourselves.

At least read the labour party manifesto before writing them off. The policies are not extreme or crazy in any sense and at least Labour talk about what they want to do. The Tories just give sound bites and want a blank cheque in exchange.

Wake up people please or the Tories will shaft us all.

paulines to me your post sort of encapsulates the problem. Labour isn't listening to people. Nobody wants a PM who can't lead. I can certainly see that for myself and am not brainwashed The Labour Party has to stop blaming others and wake up to the fact that JC is deeply unpopular and has not been effective in opposition, so that hardly inspires confidence as being fit to govern.

He should go , and take Abbott with him

Whilst that pair are in labour , opposition bench at that, I will not be voting for that Party . A communist and a racist .. No THANKS.

Labour is pretty much broken unfortunately. I don't think that's all Corbyn's fault necessarily, it's been broken since Gordon Brown.

It has no ideas, no vision, no plan that appeals to a wide enough section of the population.

It's a disaster really, because we've never needed strong opposition like we need it now.

Theresa May isn't any better, she is proving useless in dealing with brexit and the EU and in the home office she failed to deliver on her promises.

Us Brits must just be gluttons for punishment and probably deserve all we get, either too lazy to vote or too stupid to vote in the best interests of the majority.

I find it quite amusing that before the GE, that Corbyn voted for, the general trend of any conversation around criticism of JC was just me with "vote for someone else then!", thats after the red tory/blue labour/blairite insults.

Now those same people are asking for unity, why?

Gordon Brown will be regarded by history as a man who saved us all from the banking collapse. Currently he doesn't fit the right wing narrative.

I like his policies. I like that he's taking the labour party away from Tory light.

He's also forced the Tories to pick up policies that they ridiculed when labour said them e.g. caps on energy bills were deemed disastrous when Ed militand said it.

His problem is that he isn't good at the media and the main stream media seem to delight in doing to him what they did to Ed, just personality politics.

We need a leader with left of centre policies but better with media.
Sadly, I think any left candidate will be ripped apart in the press because the Overton window has shifted to the right and anything that isn't centre right is deemed radical and dangerous.

Poor JC. If you indulge anti semites and cosy up to terrorists; if your team can't answer simple questions about your economic plans; if you go off on holiday at a crucial time in the nation's history, the media are just meanies about it.

I feel really sad reading all this - it's like everyone's bought the media slur against him. There's a lot of statistics about the way he's been negatively portrayed in the press so I'm not surprised he doesn't go on TV . I've seen him at rallies and he is passionate about a fair society and my brother met him and has been converted to a complete fan. He's honest and modest and believes in social justice. I think the conservative campaign is starting to resemble a presidential campaign. They are purposely focussing on Jeremy Corbyn rather than Labour party policies because it distracts from the real issues. I'm a teacher and the school I'm working at in Newham is facing huge cuts - and we already can't afford to take kids on trip etc. I've actually seen the funding go down since the conservatives came into power. The last place I worked - at a Pupil Refferal Unit the budget was cut by a third - literally lost a million pounds - and these are some of the most vulnerable kids in our society. Really sad to see so many people believing the propaganda. I'm just glad my kids are practically grown up now - just one left to finish school! Next year we're going to see an average £700 PER PUPIL cut in funding in london, so that's fewer teachers, fewer resources and all the good work done in London schools (they got some of the best results in the country) will be undone. Sad.

yes, i really agree with what you're saying. Maybe we should do some independant research into what he's saying and his history rather than believing what the press write about him

For me it's policy and which PARTY believes in a country I want to live in.

I want a country for normal people, for public services, for kids to have decent education. I don't want a country that borrows loads to bail out companies and banks. I don't want a country that does private contracts that privatised profits and nationalised losses. The Labour Party want that. Greens too but they won't get in and we need a united left.

Vote Tory because you want Tory policies, but don't because you don't like Corbyn.

What will it take to convince people that many of us who criticise JC can think for ourselves and haven't been taken in by the Tory media? It's deluded and patronising. I read and analyse evidence for a living!

I'm fine with people having an issue with Jeremy Corbyn.

What I find ridiculous is people saying I won't vote labour because I don't like him.

So they'll vote for a different party purely because they don't like Corbyn.

I don't believe in slashing education budgets, cutting child mental health, cutting public services and many other things. I'm not Corbyn biggest fan, but I'm not going to vote for a different party just because I don't like some of his ideals when Labour present the centre left view that I believe in.

There's a reason that the focus seems to be on Corbyn personality and his personal things and not labour policy. And that's because actually if you give people the policy but dkt mention Corbyn many people agree. The Tories don't want people to actually consider policy so they repeat personal attacks on Corbyn and repeat "strong and stable leadership" 80 times a second.

No they are not voting for him because they don't think he is capable

Many dislike him too becuase he should do what is best for the party and the country and that is step aside for someone who is capable

If I vote Labour I support him staying on as leader for longer

He absolutely won't be voted in as PM and we might loose some seats down to voters like myself but we have to think of the damage he can do further down the line the sooner he goes the better but the more support he gets the harder that is

Many of us are very unhappy and angry to be in such a situation

I get really really fed up of Corbyn supporters saying that it is all the fault of the media that Labour are doing so badly.
And Corbyn supporters also don't seem to realise that it is floating voters who elect Governments. You have to appeal to them.