Seriously, what was ever so wrong with the EU that it has swayed life long Labour voters to vote Tory?

[Bearbehind]

As above really.

Some of the swings to Tory councillors are mind boggling.

What was/ is so bad about the EU that makes this worth it?

Alrighty then.

Ive not even said im a corbyn fan.

Definutely you're drunk.

Not sure what your obsession with age is either. Am 45.

Hello Nicemil1 I'm presuming, that means Nice Mother In Law.

Can you please explain to me what changes the Conservatives have brought about since coming to power?

I'll start you off with what they haven't done.

Decrease immigration.
Decrease the national debt.

No doubt you are happy to still vote on the promise the Conservatives will do both.

In other news a left of centre president is looking likely to win in the South Korean elections.

Elendon

I am sure you are aware that you cannot tackle the debt until you have tackled the deficit?

What have the Conservative party ever done to take either down and succeeded? Yes I'm aware of the difference, but the MSM prefer debt.

Tories might get a good deal. Corbyn is a plonker. Farron would slaughter children live on TV if he thought there were some floating voters to be snapped up.

Also the demonization of leave voters and the nasty anti democracy sentiment are two of the most horrible things I've ever seen happen in this country, and even if I wanted to remain, having seen the true colours I feel like if we went back in time to referendum day I would absolutely vote leave.

To be fair it depends on which media outlet is wanting to attack which side.

But the cons have reduced the deficit, which is good, because when the economic cycle reaches a contraction phase the government will be in a better position to increase spending. Totally Keynesian approach

Depends what you read

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-uk-national-debt-has-risen-by-555-billion-since-2010-under-george-osborne-a6947661.html

Doubt its improved that much in a year

But it doesn;t matter what you read as a year makes a difference

www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/67fs4f/government_deficit_at_lowest_since_financial/

Did you want the Tories to cut even deeper to reduce the debt/deficit, whats your angle.

I presume you follow the kensyian economic model as that is the de jour one spouted at the minute.

I don't believe they are meaningfully cutting it.

And i believe austerity is bad for the economy as people either stop spending or incur personal debt.

I think a lot of people are concerned about the poorer less educated Bulgarians and Rumanians who are coming here in increasing numbers even though overall immigration is down. There is a feeling that we don't have enough houses, schools and GPs and hospital places for the people who are already here so why have more people.
Many people didn't mind freedom of movement when it was just affluent west Europe who weren't that bothered about coming here in large numbers and tended to speak English and mix more.
The left say it's good if they're in work as they pay for existing pensions but what happens when they get old and need pensions? An ever increasing population and concreting over the UK is not what many people want.
People didn't mind immigration until it escalated when the East Europeans joined the EU.
Many people who tend not to have high paid jobs anyway or may be unemployed or retired don't mind if we are a bit poorer if we can stop the population influx.

People just make things up as they go along. Why do people think that Conservatives are 'turning people against 'scroungers''?
Pretty sure it was Labour who were paying people to 'shop' their 'scrounger' neighbours...

Morons think that all their life problems will be solved, they will get to see a GP quicker, they will get a school place at that nice Christian school, they will get a council flat quicker, they will get a great job that pays loads, if we got rid of all the immigrants. Which is what most desponds conflate the EU with.

Farron would slaughter children live on TV if he thought there were some floating voters to be snapped up.

I actually quite like Tim Farron!

I do think if Lib Dem weren't aligning with anti Brexit I think they might have had a chance at taking over from labour as the opposition (I can appreciate why they have taken that stance though).

I agree charm

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin

I don't believe they are meaningfully cutting it.

Oh dear, what were you saying about Tories being bad at maths? From the Guardian (that well-known pro-Tory organ):

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/25/uk-government-borrowing-lowest-level-financial-crisis

Government borrowing fell to the lowest level since the financial crisis in the year to the end of March as the economy proved more resilient than expected in the aftermath of the Brexit vote.

Borrowing fell by £20bn to £52bn in the 2016-17 financial year after economic growth helped drive tax receipts higher, narrowing the gap between what the government spends and earns.

It was the lowest level of annual borrowing since 2007-08, according to the Office for National Statistics, before the full impact of the financial crisis was reflected in the public finances.

So yes, the Tories have cut the deficit to one third what it was when Labour left office in 2010 (£150 billion per year!), taking it all the way back to the level it was before the financial crisis.

See? Reality, hard facts - not too hard.

The Guardian is quite pro Tory these days.

Anyway i have decided lifes too short to spend it bickering and being sneered at by Tories all day.

So, have fun/all the best/adieu/its not been fun

My guess is that the unlikely resurgence of the Tory vote in Scotland is that many people who do not want independence see nowhere else to put their vote. The Progressive Alliance is problematic in Scotland as would necessarily involve the SNP and I think people don't trust Labour not to do a deal with them over independence in a progressive alliance. Mind you, Labour are crazily rejecting the idea of a PA anyway.

Yes exaclty sunbeam, I don't trust Corbyn and McDonnell not to sell Scottish labour out to be SNP. Kezia Dugdale is not a Corbynite either, so she's not one of his inner circle.

The Guardian is quite pro Tory these days.

Well obviously.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin

Anyway i have decided lifes too short to spend it bickering and being sneered at by Tories all day.

So, have fun/all the best/adieu/its not been fun

Sorry for not playing fair by presenting, you know, facts backed up by published statistics . Enjoy your day!

Bear used to flounce quite a bit too

Its not flouncing to not to wish to engage with people arguing and sneering at you.

Its like choosing not to punch yourself in the face repeatedly. Sensible. enjoy thread