Seriously, what was ever so wrong with the EU that it has swayed life long Labour voters to vote Tory?

[Bearbehind]

As above really.

Some of the swings to Tory councillors are mind boggling.

What was/ is so bad about the EU that makes this worth it?

Frankly the fact le pen polled 35% of the vote isn't a great sign for France, that's a huge vote for an extremist party and must put pressure on Macron to reform otherwise that vote could go up next time.

To try and imply right wing extremism is taking hold in the UK is hyperbolic

To try and imply it is not is denial.

Left wing extremism is a much bigger problem - ever heard of the Labour Party?

To try and imply it is not is denial.

No it isn't, the term is used far to frivolously, the bnp/edl etc are as just insignificant as they always was, even as a remainer I am not buying UKIP being right wing extremism, but to try and imply that Tories or most probably the lazy argument of Brexit/Trump is right wing extremism is hyperbolic.

Europe has a more significant following for extreme right wing than we have in the UK, there is a significant undercurrent in europe at the minute, Macron is in a difficult position, especially if he doesn't get any form of EU reform that he has based his platform on.

What roty said on page 1. Tory only stable party at moment.

MrsSummerisle Sun 07-May-17 21:09:18

I think you have hit on something there, there is something in me that revolts agaisnt extremism and this is the feeling i get from the EU and from Labour right now.

UKIP are finished in the U.K. because their supporters have turned to the Tory party.

How can you begin to argue that is not right wing extremism?

TM's red line is immigration.

That comes above the economic security of the country.

That means us sacrificing unfettered access to the single market.

How is that not right wing extremism?

UKIP are finished in the U.K. because their supporters have turned to the Tory party.

How can you begin to argue that is not right wing extremism?

^^ because if labour had been honest about wanting to leave the eu....then they would have voted for them.

people just want to leave the eu. why is that so hard to underatnd

people just want to leave the eu. why is that so hard to understand

Because no fucker can explain why?

No one can articulate why the consequences are worth it.

Bearbehind, could you clarify what exactly you mean by Right Wing Extremism please.

UKIP are finished in the U.K. because their supporters have turned to the Tory party.

How can you begin to argue that is not right wing extremism?

Your forgetting the point that a lot of those supporters came from labour, something that seems to be getting whitewashed recently.

*TM's red line is immigration.
That comes above the economic security of the country.
That means us sacrificing unfettered access to the single market.
How is that not right wing extremism?

Because you have done the exact thing I suggested, none of that is right wing extremism, its anti globalisation, this is a tired argument even as a remainer.

To call the labour party extreme left is laughable and frankly sounds thick.

Bearbehind

UKIP are finished in the U.K. because their supporters have turned to the Tory party.

How can you begin to argue that is not right wing extremism?

TM's red line is immigration.

That comes above the economic security of the country.

That means us sacrificing unfettered access to the single market.

How is that not right wing extremism?

Sigh. To the far left, having limits on immigration = right wing extremism. To everyone else, it's a pretty centrist position.

I mean a complete intolerance to anyone who isn't white and born and bred here charmageddon

I mean putting this intolerance above the financial and ecomonic security of the country.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin

To call the labour party extreme left is laughable and frankly sounds thick.

You actually want people to vote for them. That sounds thicker than a maths class taught by Diane Abbott.

*I mean a complete intolerance to anyone who isn't white and born and bred here charmageddon

I mean putting this intolerance above the financial and ecomonic security of the country.*

And this is how you view Theresa May & the Conservative Party?

thicker than a maths class taught by Diane Abbott.

and this is how you view Theresa May & the Conservative Party?

It is now because that is the path they've chosen to exploit.

well I am white and born and bred here but married to a man who a foreigner....o

Today 21:27 Bearbehind

people just want to leave the eu. why is that so hard to understand. Because no fucker can explain why?

Because we joined what we thought was a "Common Market" of 8 nations to promote free trade, turned into a supranational body of 28 countries with a mission to achieve full political, social and economic integration. It's a corrupt, undemocratic and dying institution that has lost its way. It has a parliament that has voted three times to end the absolute fucking farce of decamping to Strasbourg every 4th week at cost of €100m, but gets vetoed by the French president every time. It has a parliament that lacks legislative initiative.

I could go on

No one can articulate why the consequences are worth it.
You're right. "Project Fear" clearly did not go far enough. You should lead "Project Pissed Myself with Terror"

Got those pads yet? Must be getting smelly around you

UKIP are finished in the U.K. because their supporters have turned to the Tory party

It may well be correct the Tories picked up UKIP votes but bear in mind there UKIP didn't only take votes from Tory supporters.

This analysis refers to the 2015 election.

Ukip, which drew most of its votes from older, working-class and self-employed Britons, emerged from the 2015 general election as the main opposition in 120 seats, 44 of which have Labour MPs. Nationally, Ukip averaged nearly 13%. But in Labour’s traditionally safe northern heartlands this figure jumped to 19%.
amp.theguardian.com
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/23/labour-traditional-voters-progressive-values-working-class-ukip

It is now because that is the path they've chosen to exploit.

I think you know your being hyperbolic with this statement

It may well be correct the Tories picked up UKIP votes but bear in mind there UKIP didn't only take votes from Tory supporters.

I had read something similar but it wasn't a cif piece, it is quite interesting to see the start of a whitewash/guilt by association game being played out here wrt UKIP voters going to the Cons.

Because we joined what we thought was a "Common Market" of 8 nations to promote free trade, turned into a supranational body of 28 countries with a mission to achieve full political, social and economic integration. It's a corrupt, undemocratic and dying institution that has lost its way.

^^ This and to be fair even if we were all happy with it - and no rumbles like there were we should still have been given the vote because its not what we voted for

We should have been given the vote before John Major signed us up to Maastricht.

Maggie Thatcher was quite vociferous on this, even though she had previously spoken against referendums.