To think Diane Abbott was off her face on the radio this morning?

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www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/

Fragrant Diane, she really is the kiss of death.
My toes are still curling

Orlantina:

• he told the HofC select committee last summer that he called Hamas and Hezbollah his friends "because I was trying to be inclusive"
• he called for Art 50 to be triggered the morning after the referendum
• he called for an instant election when May took over despite dire polls and the Labour Party not having worked out their Brexit policy at all
• when women MPs asked him to clamp down on online abuse from his supporters he told them the best thing to do with abuse is ignore it.

All in the last year.

And yes, they do, the schools funding issue has been reported widely in the last few weeks.

Yes the media is biassed. But they are also right sometimes andJC and his crew are terrible at handling it.

laisy

He sounds very much like the Conservatives with some of the things they come out with.

I can't believe he went along with the election. We have a 5 year Parliament to stop the PM doing what she's just done.

I really can't stand the Conservatives. I believe in a lot of Labour policies BUT I am not confident in the leadership - and they have a lot of good MPs.

I will never vote Tory. Everytime I see Theresa May on TV, I just get really angry with her attitude.

I don't really know what to do.

To be honest I think David Milland is to blame for creating the divide in the party. He became too desperate for leadership. The way he treated Harriet Harman and Gordon brown was appalling. When half of Labour were against him and went for ed, things just started to get worse and worse. The party has been disastrous from when Gordon brown left. They haven't had a leadership where the person is strong enough to lead them. Andy B would not have managed them. too many desperate people without leadership skills fighting each other including those who have stepped aside. Not because of morals but to save themselves from being blamed. Selfish people.

Any one who thinks this country does not need weapons is crazy based on how many proxy wars this country instigates. You cannot instigate and not expect retaliation.

he told the HofC select committee last summer that he called Hamas and Hezbollah his friends "because I was trying to be inclusive"

absolutely 'kin hilairrrrr. Corbyn is great for increasing the feel good factor, side-splitting laughter being the best medicine, and all.

What stupid thing has Corbyn said?

Amongst almost too many to count, the one that stands out for me at the moment is yesterday's beauty: "the results were mixed. We lost seats but we are closing the gap on the Conservatives"

How is it possible for anyone who considers himself sane to be so utterly deluded? And why do folk keep insisting that the media are anti-Corbyn, when actually they don't need to do anything at all except sit and watch him dig his own hole?

OMG puzzled he's a bloke who keeps on giving!!

Delusional springs to mind.

What stupid thing has Corbyn said? Can you give some examples?

"Jeremy Corbyn has said he was “not embarrassed in the slightest” following a gaffe by his close ally Diane Abbott" independent

The whole of the rest of the UK were cringing on her behalf at her awfulness but Jezza was fine with it. There's loyalty and then there's stupidity. He didn't make the situation better, he made it worse!

He called Hezbollah and Hamas "friends ".

What stupid thing has Corbyn said?

On asked what of the 4 options he would take when writing 'the letter' (the very first job he has to do):

"...I would order an immediate strategic defence review..." etc

• he was pressed on this, he wouldn't answer, just kept going on about how he'd get 'all the facts' in a 'review' etc

The stupid thing is that he didn't need to say explicitly what option he would choose, it's private.
If he was on the ball he'd have said
"That's a matter for me to decide, confidentially, following the explicit briefing from the armed forces chief. It would not be appropriate for me to elaborate on that".

When asked if he would use nuclear weapons he prattled on about "building consensus" - he could have been firm & clearly stated what we all know is the case:
I.e. "Whilst I, personally, do not agree with trident and the use of nuclear weapons, I am the representative of the party - the party's view is to renew trident and retain our nuclear capabilities; would I 'press the button?' Well, I don't think anyone can truly answer that until the situation occurs - but rest assured the safety & security of Britain would be my primary concern".

The stupidity is that he knew these questions would come up - he was entirely unprepared for an answer, which just served to make him look even more like an ill-prepared, unaware, uninformed, dithering fuckwit.

Copper, if JC had briefers like you, he might be more successful. Instead he blindly follows his own flawed counsel or listens to the naive kids and weary old hacks that he surrounds himself with.
If he gave the responses you suggest, I for one, as a a Labour supporting Corbyn hater, would give home a tad more credence.

I read somewhere that McDonnell is regarded as the real intellect between Corbyn and McDonnell. This makes me chuckle from to time.

As much as anything else they've misjudged the rhetoric of Brexit too - we're in a pre negotiation stage which is why both sides are talking tough, Corbyn and his team are criticising saying we should be conciliatory but that isn't what most voters want to hear by the sounds of it, and nor is it necessary to concede anything to the EU negotiators at this point

Copper I've thought that too - so often Corbyn could just make a dignified and diplomatic response but instead it's like he has to push his least popular "principles" forward. He doesn't actually have to say he wouldn't push the button, he can say he hopes the situation wouldn't arise but if it did it isn't something you could predict.

Similarly with his anti-royalty stuff. There's such a thing as being basically polite and discreet, even if you don't agree with something. Instead he makes a "principled" childish fuss thereby alienating loads of potential voters.

Fine if you want to prioritise your polarising principles, it's just that it doesn't really go hand in hand with trying to appeal to people and get voted in as PM.

Even Thatcher subsequently said she didn't know whether she could do it. You would never have guessed that. Evil bitch that she was, she was doing what I expected of a PM.

I agree. If he is so anti Trident that he cannot countenance its use under any circumstances (a position I could respect, from someone who had never endorsed violence from any source - which he has), he should not have run for office (given the party, the unions and the country all support the idea of having a deterrent). The whole point is no-one knows if you would use it - if he cannot rule out ever using it then he is like everyone else and can give some of the sensible replies here. And he could have gone with Clive Lewis' statement at conference - which seemed reasonable to me at the time.

Corbin is like the person I'd most dread getting stuck with at a dinner party. Having to sit next to someone spouting their "principled views" is my idea of living hell.

Actually, him on one side and Diane Abbott on the other, is making me break out in a cold sweat.

People understand that the Tories are flying blind. No real plans for growth or Brexit, just ideological hatred of the most vulnerable.

The people know.

I think lots of people know that, and others are taken in by the Tories' appearance of efficiency and authority (which it is not difficult to appear, next to Corbyn). Loads of traditional labour voters are voting Tory (or another option, which will hand seats to Tories) just to avoid Corbyn or to send a message to him.

That's why we need, not for everyone to wake up and start backing Corbyn, but a sensible, competent left-wing (but modern, feminist and inclusive left-wing) opposition party.

Lots of voters want that - just because they have decided not to vote labour, doesn't mean they won't come back when there's a better option on the left.

Completely agree with Daisy (you have put me off my morning coffee ) and Lady.

Completely agree lady, there could be a huge swing to the left in 5 years time after Brexit if labour can get its act together.

@daisychain01 I actually think Corbyn would be more entertaining than some give him credit for.
Abbot, well I can't say I'd enjoy that experience, but I'd rather be in the middle of those two than May and Hammond. Christ that would finish me off.

I think the Conservatives are going to majorly fuck things up and the country over following their inevitable me election victory in June.
If Labour can't get their act together in the next five years and present a better alternative then they deserve to die off, as the Conservatives are a bunch of incompetent morons.

I see another party forming to replace labour in the centre ground. The current labour government has to many issues and division. If they pretended to like each other, the party might work. They don't even make that effort.