To think Diane Abbott was off her face on the radio this morning?

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www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/

Fragrant Diane, she really is the kiss of death.
My toes are still curling

Henry, I think batgirl is stating facts, not saying she approves!

Horrid Blame yourself for supporting someone who had set the labour movement back years and years.

Blame yourself for wilfully voting for a leader and team who can't offer strong opposition.

Mine will be a tactical vote to hopefully rebuild my party yet a fucking gain yours in supporting this shambles is unforgivable.

And labour haven't bungled everything they've touched? Gordon brown and Jim Callaghan left office on a massive high, did they? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

They're all shit. Only the depth of shit varies.

Don't bother Tea we had all this with militant tendency and it's quite unbelievable we are here again.

Of course it's not what I want Henry is it really what you want? Labour wiped out again.

The parties form platforms/manifestos along both ideological and popular lines. These are set by the leadership. If the membership feels that the ideology/manifesto is faulty, or that they don't reflect the values of a wide enough part of the electorate to succeed, then they elect new leadership.

But the membership that voted for Corbyn are at odds with the electorate. They have been told this for months now, but Corbynites don't see it. He can do no wrong.

Even with the predicted loss of vast numbers of seats, it is strongly rumoured that the defeat won't be bad enough for him to go.

The West Indian mothers remark should have led to her sacking. It's a disgraceful ridiculous and racist remark.

If he stays the party will split pure and simple.

The West Indian mothers remark should have led to her sacking. It's a disgraceful ridiculous and racist remark.

I agree. As should John McDonnell for carrying out that speech in front of those flags on Monday.

Lovely

I think that if all the anti Corbyn folk joined the party.....they could realign it. I mean it is our party to do with as we like.

And then instead of watching as the Tories wreck it all, we could Make Our Future. I picked that name as we can do just that. Join. Cast your vote. Shape things!

The trouble is Make, as a party member, you have obligations. You have to vote Labour and there are restrictions on what other organisations you can join or support and what you can say. I am just about clinging on to party membership despite my views on the leadership, as these seem exceptional times. If, say, my local MP had supported Leave, I would feel honour-bound to leave the party to vote Lib Dem. So it isn't that easy.

I am very disheartened by the responses on twitter about DA from JC supporters. Absolutely no recognition that this was more than "mis-speaking", lots of comparisons to the May terrorist/tourist thing which definitely was just that (which is short-sighted as everyone does that sometimes) - it is as if they genuinely do not know what being a professional politician involves.

I am also not sure about this idea of rolling out policies and saying the costings will be in the manifesto. If resources were unlimited, hardly anyone would say extra police is a bad idea - so the first questions will be about cost, funding and value for money. None of which, by definition, they can answer at the moment. Some of this at least should have been ready given JC urged May to go to the country when she took office and promised HofC support to call the election.

I think Corbyn should be run out Labour are allowing this shit to happen. Gordon Brown and Edd Milliband done better than him. TM will get the majority and there will be no opposition to fight her. I signed up on the electoral website to late I can't vote. If I could vote I might have voted for lib Dems.

I do understand why DA said it about West Indian mothers because it's poor where they come from. Every service that we get free in this country they have to pay for. In England education is a right out there in the Caribbean education is a privilege you have no money then no education. The average wage is £35,000 Jamaican dollars per month and in English pounds that's £200 a month.

"'West Indian mothers go to the wall for their kids"

She knows how to wind people up, doesn't she? If she'd said, "Look, I don't approve of private education in principle but when it comes down to it, I'm going to put my son's wellbeing ahead of everything else", I could have understood it. It would at least have been honest.

But trying to turn it into an act of moral superiority, pretending that other people send their kids to private school for dubious, dishonourable reasons, whereas she sends her kid to private school because a West Indian mother does the best for her child, that's really self-aggrandising and self-deluding.

rosegoldprosecco May admires and seeks to emulate Thatcher.
"Whatever his views, Corbyn has never wielded the levers of power in government, and has never done more than put forward ideas. Yet if we look to the icon of conservative politics and "keeping Britain safe", we have someone with a well-documented history of being a terrorist sympathiser. During her time as Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher openly called a terrorist a "true friend", invited a terrorist into her home for tea, and personally lobbied against a terrorist's prosecution for war crimes.

Thatcher's support for Chile's former torturer-in-chief General Pinochet is no secret; it was something she was proud of. Despite her assertion that “The United States and Britain have together been the greatest alliance in defence of liberty and justice,” Thatcher refused to back down in her support of a man who overthrew a democratically elected government. This was a man who initiated the notorious Caravan of Death, the army unit that travelled the country by helicopter, murdering and torturing the General's opponents."
The Independent

I would be very surprised if she lost her seat. I don't think she will.

May is a terrible human being too.

But - even she's still better than corbyn.

That's what this election shit show comes down to.

make, maybe something in that, but as said before I will rejoin Labour only once Corbyn has resigned. Because his one measure of success is apparently the party membership numbers. I'm not adding to that.

500 Headteachers wrote to Theresa May:
“On the steps of Downing Street you promised a country that works for everyone. That begins with our children.Yet schools are facing real-terms cuts of £3billion. This will have a massive impact on young people and standards of education.

To make ends meet, head teachers will be forced to make staff redundant, cut subjects, increase class size and cut back on extracurricular activity.

More and more schools are reluctantly asking for donations as a last resort to bring their budgets back from breaking point. Parents should not have to dip into their own pockets to make up for the investment Government is unwilling to provide.”

The signatories call on the Prime Minister to “stop seeing education as a cost and instead see it as an investment in the future” and reverse the £3 billion of cuts.

The future of our country depends upon the next generation. Their skills, their knowledge, their confidence and their creativity.

May has no intention of listening - if you have children in education, or care about the future employability of our youth, it's worth listening to these experienced top professional educators.

I'm listening - I wish we had a better alternative than a fool who wants a 'national education service' and to muck about with tuition fees rather than just overturning these cuts. He's grandiose and he doesn't have the mental chops to back it up.

Exactly Hack the justification of that disgraceful racist remark is dressed up as moral superiority it's totally shocking.

Horrid no that doesn't wash though does it as she wasn't talkng about the Caribbean she was talking about West Indian mothers most of who are born here. She's not that old.

She opens her mouth before engaging brain which is her downfall and her failure to apologise is her belief that she can say what she likes when she likes and get Way with it.

I totally agree with you though I don't think she will loose her seat. She's a good local MP but never ever minesterial material just like Corbyn.

But trying to turn it into an act of moral superiority, pretending that other people send their kids to private school for dubious, dishonourable reasons, whereas she sends her kid to private school because a West Indian mother does the best for her child, that's really self-aggrandising and self-deluding

YY spot on.

hackmum
I agree she should have just been honest.
And I think it's very unfair to malign state education to justify her decision, it's only anecdotal but I went to a secondary state school and plenty of my peers who were black West Indian or African descent have decent jobs and getting on with life. I particularly remember brothers whose Nigerian mother was legendary for standing over them in the kitchen to make them do homework before they were allowed out. They both went to university.

I get that families feel they need to give these kids a leg up - and private education is certainly a way to do it - but really Diane Abbot's sons would probably have done just fine in the state sector too. But she had the opportunity to send them to a popular private school - and she took it. She might as well have been honest about it.

Again agree with you Tea I can't vote for him make as that won't lead to change.

it's worth listening to these experienced top professional educators.

Indeed.

Focus on the enemy. Together we are legion!

This thread is going round in circles.

The enemy is the useless labour shadow front bench who is allowing this shit to happen.

Listening to the teachers means not voting for Corbyn.