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Man took picture of dd's breasts

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WildBelle · 30/04/2017 15:44

Yesterday dd (12) and her friend went to a large event. It was at a hotel right next to a shopping centre. In theory under 16s were meant to have an adult with them, so I was prepared that I might have to stay, but when we got there no one on the desk said anything about them needing an adult with them, and most people there seemed to be under 16 with no adults in their group. Dd1 is at the age where hanging around with her mum is really not cool so she wanted me to go, and dd2 would have been a massive, whinging pain in the arse if we'd stayed so it kind of suited everyone.

So I took dd2 for lunch and a wander around the shops in the shopping centre right next to the hotel. After a couple of hours dd2 phoned to say they'd had enough and wanted to leave, so we walked back over and met them.

On the way home, dd and her friend told me about a man coming up to them when they were at the event and asked to take a picture or dd (she was dressed up as a character and did look pretty cool). She agreed, but instead of using the proper camera he had with him, got his Iphone out and zoomed right in on dd's breasts (she is very blessed in that department), and took a picture. They found it quite funny but I was pretty shocked. He'd given them the impression that he was taking pictures on behalf of the event, although of course he could have just been saying that.

Dd's friend was chatting to another friend they'd met up with at the event last night and apparently this guy had done similar to other girls too.

I am tempted to contact the event about it but don't know what they can do, and they will probably just say that as dd is under 16 she was supposed to have an adult with her. But a grown man going around taking pictures of a 12 year old's cleavage isn't ok is it?

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NormaSmuff · 30/04/2017 16:26

but the op can't be expected to be with her 12 year old dd at all times.

i think your DD has to learn to say no to photos

SlowLifeLove · 30/04/2017 16:27

'Being a dirty sleaze bag isn't a crime unfortunately.'

Having a photograph of a 12 year old bust, and creating that photograph, thankfully is a crime. A very serious crime, regardless of whether she consented or not. ASD would likely be a hugely mitigating factor to whether she was actually able to consent at all (as well as age).

Chippednailvarnishing · 30/04/2017 16:27

She is very quiet and shy but also very switched on and mature for her age in a lot of ways, and isn't even remotely interested in boys (yet!)

Sorry OP but I really don't think you are getting it. It's not about your DD liking boys and going off with someone, it's about being on the receiving end of unwanted physical and verbal attention and not knowing how to handle it. Her interest in boys is irrelevant, a creep will still be a creep, it has nothing to do with the person on the receiving end.

JustAnotherSilentOldNumber · 30/04/2017 16:27

I generally don't have to worry too much about her - she has crippling social anxiety as part of her ASD and won't even buy something in a shop on her own, so the chances of her getting into a conversation with someone and being convinced to go off with them are pretty much zero.

This is so naive of you to say, it's becuase of this that she is actually more valnerable than saomeone who understands normal social interaction better.

JustAnotherSilentOldNumber · 30/04/2017 16:30

we live in a horrible world, and while most people are good people there are those out there that will groom your DD (for want of a better term) in these ways when they get the opportunity.

NormaSmuff · 30/04/2017 16:30

was your dd upset about this op?

Allthebestnamesareused · 30/04/2017 16:30

The DD gave permission gor him to take a picture and then laughed when he took pics of her bobbs (whether covered or busting out).

He was in the wrong and she is too young to realise it! You were in the wrong to leave a 12 year old at an event where it was made clear that U16s should be supervised. You should have stayed rather than thinking yippee I don't have to [Hmm

elevenclips · 30/04/2017 16:31

SlowLifeLove - are you sure it's a crime to have the photo being that the 12yo was actually fully clothed?

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NormaSmuff · 30/04/2017 16:32

op, you might have been at the event but just not with her,
if you want to contact the event you can complain about the pervert and also you cant expect to be a chaperone so could skirt round the issue of not being physically with your dd when the photo was taken.

SlowLifeLove · 30/04/2017 16:33

@elevenclips

If it was focused on exposed cleavage which is how I am understanding it then yes, it's a crime. It's probably going to be rated lower in the rating scale of graphicness, but it's no different to an 'up skirt shot' for instance.

GlamClam · 30/04/2017 16:34

I have asd and I think you need to take a few extra precautions as the parent of an asd child.

My parents were quite keen to promote my independence.

I repeatedly raped at the age of 13 at a disco that was supposed to be for younger people. This thread hit a nerve because it was a Halloween party, fancy dress and I too was very blessed in the cleavage department.

Now hear me out.

It's absolutely not your or your DD's fault, it is absolutely this mans.

But Asd makes us so much more vulnerable than others our age.

I really struggle to actually see when someone means me harm or not, whether they are being inappropriate etc. as your dd had done.

It can put you in real danger.

GlamClam · 30/04/2017 16:34

I was repeatedly, that should have said.

LIZS · 30/04/2017 16:36

You can complain to event management too if he was claiming to be an official photographer and a minor cannot give consent for a picture to be taken or used in publicity (unless you signed a waiver when they were admitted or booked tickets). I doubt he only took pics of your dd. Tbh while you were very naive to believe them to be safe from dubious characters at such an event , that definitely doesn't make this ok. You also should discuss rights to privacy and boundaries with your dd2.

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NoYouDontKnowItAll · 30/04/2017 16:43

A large chest on a child is not a blessing imo

PurpleMinionMummy · 30/04/2017 16:46

Having a photograph of a 12 year old bust, and creating that photograph, thankfully is a crime

I reported a website with young teens in all kinds of suggestive positions with questionable but not adult clothing it made me feel sick, it was clear it wasn't innocent despite them all being clothed and smiling.. The police told me because they were all clothed there was nothing they could do as no law was being broken. This was a few years back though. Hopefully the law has changed since then??

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WildBelle · 30/04/2017 16:51

So sorry to hear about what happened to you, glam.

No the event was in Bristol, not east London.

Dd is fine, she thought it was it of order of the bloke to do what he did, but I wouldn't say she was upset.

She and her friend (who is 13) do look quite young. At a push you might think they looked 14 but I wouldn't think that anyone would think they are 16.

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WildBelle · 30/04/2017 16:52

Be good to know for definite whether what happened is actually an offence before I report it to the police. Either way I will definitely be getting in touch with the event.

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cdtaylornats · 30/04/2017 16:53

While what he did was nasty, how was he supposed to know your DD was 12. If she wasn't with an adult why wouldn't he think she was 16+.

WildBelle · 30/04/2017 16:53

And no she want wearing a mask or anything.

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WildBelle · 30/04/2017 16:54

*wasn't! Sorry can't type today.

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Freddystarshamster · 30/04/2017 16:56

Slowlifelove. You're wrong. If she was clothed and in a public place there is no offence regardless of her age. The guy's clearly dodgy but no law's been broken

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