UK economy slows to 0.3% and inflation is at highest level for 3 years - brexiters are you still happy?

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www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/39743129

Or regret your choice? Brexit the gift that keeps on giving :(

We've had much lower growth figures and much higher inflation while in The EU, America just had lower growth figures is that Caused by Brexit ?

Government needs to follow Trump lead and start boosting growth by spending again. Austerity hasn't worked anyway. People are starting to tighten their Belts and these figures could get worse.

"the first of your links contained this caveat
This ward-by-ward analysis covers 1,070 individual wards in England and Wales whose boundaries had not changed since the 2011 census, about one in nine of the UK's wards. We had very little ward-level data from Scotland, and none from Northern Ireland*
so hard to extrapolate from that
and your second link - the FT - no surprise their pre-ref poll would be skewed.*"

One in nine of the UK wards is a significant sample size and sufficient for statistical analysis. It shows what happened in England, which was responsible for the overall 'leave' result. We know that Scotland and Northern Ireland voted 'remain' by a large margin. What exactly are you struggling with? And why would an FT poll be skewed?

"I am educated (degree level), as are many of my friends and family and we voted leave. I drink wine and am very cultured (I find Mrs Brown's boys the lowest of entertainment)"

Please explain where in the data I provided it implies that nobody with a degree voted to leave? Of course some did. That doesn't change the fact that education level was the biggest single indicator of how people voted, (over age, location, political preferences of socioeconomic status), with lower levels of education correlating with the 'leave' vote.

I agree that Mrs Brown's boys is immature and not the slightest bit funny.

"I have lived in other countries and worked all my life - and still I examined the facts and voted 'leave' because I had the courage and backbone to think it was the 'right thing to do'.
I am proud of this country for backing 'freedom'."

Yet on the many threads on this topic not one person has been able to articulate how this will be 'the right thing to do' given that the downsides are so obvious and there are no tangible benefits whatsoever. 'Backing freedom'? This makes me want to cry if you genuinely believe this. I don't recognise this country any more.

Keep repeating this nonsense as much as you like, but proper research on this from the LSE and others showed an effect of 0.4% from immigration on the wages of low paid employees over a ten year period. Quite simply, you are repeating lies you have been fed.

There lies the problem.

For as long as people ('experts') keep spouting the macro, they neglect the nuances of the micro at their peril.

Perhaps on the macro scale immigration has positive effects, is a net contributor to the economy etc etc, but it is not the macro that matters in these cases - it is the micro, the individual.

The individual is the one with the vote, equal in value to everyone else's vote.
The individuals within the communities who have been negatively affected by immigration couldn't give a toss that 'overall, when taken as a whole, looking at the wider economy etc etc etc' - they care about what they see themselves, what they experience themselves, the effects that they, personally experience, see & feel.

Whenever these individuals try to be heard & make their case, their dismissed with 'anecdote does not equal data' or similar.

Well, it does, to the individual.

And if enough individuals feel something, then use their equal value vote to make their voice heard - you get Brexit.

Ahh, the 'feelz'. Much more important than facts. How silly of us to question prejudice.

No. No regrets! Can't happen soon enough. I fail to see what is racist about taking control of your country back, taking back your fishing rights and not giving billions to the E.U. who cannot produce signed off accounts that show where the money has been spent!

This country did very well before the E.U. took over. Hopefully, with a decent Government, and for me, that is the risk, we'll thrive.

Ahh, the 'feelz'. Much more important than facts. How silly of us to question prejudice.

lol at your perfect display of how not to put a case that people will buy into.

It is all about the individual when it comes to a vote of equal value.

Treat individuals with contempt or indifference, and you don't get their vote.

Treat enough individuals with contempt or indifference, and you lose.

Was Maybd not but you knew the type of people you were siding with. You decided that your reason was more important than the rights and comforts of immigrants (and anyone of an ethnic minority, English or otherwise).

You sided with racists.

I haven't read the whole thread, but by the above logic, that means anyone who has voted Labour in recent years didn't give a shit about the death of over 200,000 civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ahh, the 'feelz'. Much more important than facts. How silly of us to question prejudice.

In fact, lets go further and deconstruct your sentence....

In just one sentence, you managed to convey:

Contempt ()

Superiority (Ahh, the 'feelz')

Incredulity & dismissal of individuals' feelings (...[feelz are not] more important than facts)

strawman construction - deliberate rebranding of a non prejudiced, broad brush opinion (how silly of us to question prejudice)

Let's now extrapolate that to the macro...
....Brexit!

One I voted to leave because I want the UK to be able to set its own taxes - if our government decides we should not pay VAT on tampons then we should not pay VAT on tampons without having to argue it through 27 other countries (yes I know tampongate was finally resolved, but the next time and the next we will be able to decide for ourselves). I want our government to be able to help our workers keep their jobs by investing in our industries if it is seen as appropriate and necessary - under EU rules the government could not intervene when the steelworks needed support http://uk.businessinsider.com/uk-steel-industry-failure-eu-state-aid-rules-imports-exports-prices-2016-3

I want the UK to be able to set its own laws without 27 other countries having to agree that those laws are ok; we already have parliament and the Lords to check that nothing too batshit gets through.

I voted to leave because we will still be part of Europe (we haven't taken a chainsaw to the tectonic plates) and can continue to have a close and friendly relationship with our neighbours without being tied to them economically and legally. Many of the constituent members of the EU are suffering a financial downturn which the contributing member states are required to support; we have enough of a deficit here and should be looking at how to support our own businesses and people through the tough global economic problems, before we send more money to the EU so they can build shiny new premises and waste money on moving everybody to Strasbourg once a month (yes, that actually happens!) http://news.sky.com/story/meps-on-the-move-madness-of-strasbourg-shift-10293596. If the EU is a front runner in the global fight against global warming, then how does this reconcile with flying/driving over 700 people from Brussels to Strasbourg and back every month, at a cost of £150m per year?

I voted to leave because we need controlled immigration; we need to be able to attract the skills we need BUT not at the expense of low skilled workers flocking here to send much of their earnings and welfare benefits (yes, I know the child benefit loophole is closing) home. If we need lower skilled workers to fill a shortfall we can welcome them, but not in uncontrolled numbers. I strongly believe that giving priority to our predominantly white neighbours for jobs in the UK is inherently racist and we should look to the rest of the world for the best workers, not the whitest.

I voted to leave because of the rise of right wing fascism throughout continental Europe; this is not fluffy UKIP style posturing, it's full on anti-Muslim anti-any-other-foreigner-we-decide protectionist politics and even though the parties are not gaining power because the moderate population is thankfully motivated to vote, they are not going away. I find that scary and do not wish to be a part of it.

But I am sure that these are not 'good' reasons to vote to leave, in your opinion. Fortunately 52% of the eligible electorate who bothered to vote do not agree with you.

copperrose thank goodness you deconstructed that sentence.

The feelz over the facts. I must admit when facts are mentioned I do wonder where they are gleaned from. What I know to be fact from this whole sorry debacle is, Tony Blair had no idea how many people would come to the UK, had no preparation for it and no way of counting people coming in.
I am therefore interested to know where these facts come with from there is massive unregulated un documented work force out there, fulled by people living in digs, no tenancy agreement, cash in hand. Ie un traceable but many of us know they are there. Up and down the country. When the last census went round, do you think the 15 people living in a small house signed it and read it when they are some of them only just arrived in UK, or moved from somewhere else in UK and no one speaks much English let alone read it. I would be very very cautious relying on facts if I was you.

Blowing, even traditionally left wing press concede that the population boomed due to immigration from Eastern Europe in 2005-2016.

Yy username agree with every word. I wouldn't mind if the eu was this slick wonderful functioning operation that was truly wonderful, but it's shown itself to be everything but.

We do set our own taxes. I agree the tampon tax issue was silly but something so mildly irritating is hardly a sensible reason to leave the EU! A little proportion is needed.

Government propping up unprofitable industries with unsustainable subsidies is not a good idea in my opinion anyway. It always fails over the long term. The only way this can function is with an isolationist trade policy and that has been shown to decrease prosperity. Despite my personal views on this, it was the UK that voted to prevent the EU from blocking Chinese dumping of steel dumping in any case so your point has no merit.

If you think the UK Parliament and House of Lords prevent anything 'batshit' getting through then you must have been asleep for the last year. And many issues that we urgently need to address require international cooperation and a harmonised approach (climate change, terrorism etc) so again, an isolationist approach is not beneficial. I trust the system of governance in the EU far more than our own, which is fundamentally flawed in design and highly undemocratic.

I agree that the moving of the European Parliament is pointless but again, not an issue of sufficient magnitude to be in any way relevant to a rational voting decision. The money wasted on this equates to 40p per EU citizen per year. Compared to the 25% devaluation of our economy that has already occurred as a direct result of Brexit it is ridiculous to attach any significance to this.

As already pointed out earlier in the thread, immigration has had no significant impact on UK wages. Wages have been depressed but for other reasons which UK governments could have at least attempted to address but haven't bothered to. The EU treaties also provide numerous ways to control immigration; a requirement that people must be self-supporting or find work within three months, the ability to refuse entry to criminals etc. The UK choosing not to use these powers (as other EU countries do) is not the fault of the EU. Furthermore, freedom of movement rights are reciprocal and of great value to UK citizens too.

Brexit has directly encouraged the far right across Europe that you are deploring. The doublethink here is quite astonishing. If you think our own increasingly right wing government's behaviour is helping this situation then you're very much mistaken. Or that UKIP's brand of racism is 'fluffy'.

All of these points have been debunked in previous threads on this topic and shown to be either simply plain wrong or irrelevant given the magnitude of the mess we are in now and the poverty that will escalate over the coming years.

There has just been a thread where those that voted remain complained that they didn't like and shouldn't be called remoaners. Yet here they are still calling the leave voters racists and stupid etc.

Its all very dictatorial from remainers.

Brexit has directly encouraged the far right across Europe that you are deploring.

You do know that the far right groups have had power in Europe for a long time before brexit?

Notice how OP lit the touch paper and ran!!?! Daily Fail or troll?

lol at your perfect display of how not to put a case that people will buy into.

The old bedside manner argument. If the Doc says it's the flu....does it matter how she says it?

One point that seems to be under-examined is the assumption that Britain will strengthen ties with the US as a result of Brexit. "Yanks know how to make money!", we say. They may, but for all their talk of fairness and equality....make no mistake, they are as self interested as you can get.

We will be strengthening ties with someone who is not particularly concerned with British interests...aside from market access and a handy backer for whatever military shenanigans they might embark upon.

This is not an anti-American view....just that one must realise in times of uncertainty - which we have brought upon ourselves - those who step in "to help" are not always doing so with benevolent intent.

Now perhaps this doesn't matter - any decision such as Brexit is by nature to some degree a leap of faith (especially as there was, and isn't, even the most basic of plans), but given the developments in the world as of late, developments which the channel can't insulate us from, it would seemingly have been much more prudent to not base decisions on vague feelings.....feelings that to some extent are based on a world that doesn't exist anymore.

OP what are you hoping to achieve by starting this threads? So you want all the leave voters to come and apologise? Because iirc this isn't the first 'are you happy now' kind of thread.

People voted how they voted - no use complaining now, it's done. People can't change their vote now even if they wanted to.

I'm actually embarrassed to have voted remain, given all the name calling and venom towards the leave voters. It's time to get over it - otherwise how will you cope with the election results if they don't go the way you want?

CopperRose I am not 'rebranding' opinions that are not based on evidence and facts as prejudice, that is the definition of prejudice.

Of course I am incredulous that we are being told that we shouldn't challenge people's opinions even if we know them to be factually inaccurate. And yes, it's difficult not to feel contempt for the people who have created this mess and seem to be proud of having done so.

Ah nicely ignoring the fact people weren't not counted coming in and the massive grey economy that exists now. We have absolutely no idea how many people are actually here. So what are you comparing wages depression too? Wages where? Yy user probably journo

But many leavers look at the chaotic dangerous but ineffectual mess that is the eu and wonder what glasses you can possibly be wearing to think it's a thing you want to be part of and the awful Guy Vertsgahst wants ever closer ties. including the famous eu army!

Not read the thread then Blowing?

Because it is not over yet.

It hasn't even really begun.

Oneiroi
Of course I am incredulous that we are being told that we shouldn't challenge people's opinions even if we know them to be factually inaccurate.

And we are back to a group that calls the leavers racist and thick even though its factually inaccurate.