UK economy slows to 0.3% and inflation is at highest level for 3 years - brexiters are you still happy?

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Or regret your choice? Brexit the gift that keeps on giving :(

Not racust in europe*

The horrid stuff that's been said to you & your husband is foul.
No defence whatsoever against people like that.

Those people are not representative of Leave voters, they are a minority (although a vocally nasty minority).

Just - what other countries do often is our business, especially when the girl in France was being taken to the UK for her FGM www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/10/france-tough-stance-female-genital-mutilation-fgm .

Prevention seems to be working in France, our tolerant, non-racist, EU-member neighbours. If we had voted to remain in the EU, would this policy have been non-racist?

Surely it's ludicrous in this day and age that girls in the UK are in danger of abuse and mutilation and the PC brigade are against measures which could help prevent it, in case we offend somebody?

Thanks Copper. We had very nasty comments including the p word, comments about how my partners family won't be able to get in (since when was India in Europe?), I was told I'm an embarrassment to my family for dating outside my race, that my two year old is neither "one thing nor the other" and a myriad of horrible comments.

I understand they're not representative but I think sometimes, people who aren't on the receiving end and will never be subject to it don't fully consider it when deciding these issues. Perhaps that's unfair of me

User It would still be racist.

Yes it's a horrible thing, but it's not about offending the PC brigade it's about violating a woman's body. I'd be pretty upset if I had to be "inspected" and I don't understand why a girl would feel differently because she's Muslim.

I'm not saying we should ignore it, I'm saying this is s bad policy.

I am just interested as to who didn't see higher inflation coming brexit or not? It could'nt really go down a great deal from where it was! It is very easy to blame every on brexit, and convenient.

high risk groups will target a particular race usually. And that's my issue, that they won't differentiate.

As far as I know, it's particular areas and cultures that do this. As such, it will likely be along racial lines.

Frankly, I think it's a difficult question. As I mentioned above, I think it's a pretty stupid idea because the inspections themselves would be a pretty intrusive violation. That aside (and I say aside because I don't support it because of the method used), but let's suppose that we have a more sensible method of looking for this. There are large groups of people in this country that we can confidently say this practice NEVER occurs. Should we be wasting resources looking at these people? We are more likely to find and protect the girls at danger of being victims of this practice if we focus on groups where this is far far more likely to occur.

I entirely understand the instinct not to have a "racist" policy. But keep in mind neither UKIP, nor the average UKIP voters, will implement any such policy. Indeed, one reason to be wary is that we don't want some gross policy that broadly targets people and violates their privacy. But let's keep in mind the cost of being so fearful of being racist that we do nothing: thousands of girls are subject to this practice every year.

So...if some leavers are racist (true, some remainers are too, I give you the ongoing Jew hate that never stops) and voting leave therefore supports racism, even if voting remain doesn't do this it still supports Bob geldof and many Tories. How does mn square that?

Official inflation figures have been a lie for ages. Insurance tax quadrupled in four years, electricity prices up 20% just to quote two that everyone pays.

Endless economic growth screws the planet.

£1 million houses in London aren't suddenly going to drop to £200k because Vlad and his pals have went back to Poland

I don't think 'Vlad and his pals' (if by that you mean people from Poland earning average wages) were occupying the £1-million-plus houses in London anyway, to be honest.

And isn't the usual rhetoric about people coming over here and living several to a bedroom and providing building work etc so cheaply that the poor Brits can't compete? So which is it? Is 'Vlad' packing into a scummy house with all his Polish friends, or is he rattling about in an enormous townhouse that otherwise some deserving British family could have?

Yes it's a horrible thing, but it's not about offending the PC brigade it's about violating a woman's body. I'd be pretty upset if I had to be "inspected" and I don't understand why a girl would feel differently because she's Muslim.

It's seems like you have moved the goalposts because it sounded like your initial objection was about being racist or offensive. I however entirely agree with your second reason above: it's incredibly intrusive and of course anyone would be upset at being forced to a bodily inspection.

It's not unfair of you Kitten, it's entirely understandable.

Just I'm dreadfully sorry you and DH seem to have been abused by UKIP voters (did they tell you how they voted?). Nobody should have to suffer that.

I am not a UKIP voter, and it in no way mitigates those who have abused you, but I would point out that by your own views The average UKIP voter can't differentiate between "Muslim" and "brown". Agsin using my own experience, several UKIP voters have accused us of being Muslim. DP is atheist and not even from a Muslim family. It's so racist! - you are either calling all UKIP voters thick or have you have conducted research in to UKIP voters' colour/race differentiation skills, rather than just making a sweeping non-founded generalisation?

In my experience, I have been called racist, bigoted and uneducated because I voted to leave. I have been told that I "stole our childrens' futures"; I am actually half 'foreigner' (DM was a refugee), married to DH who is from the UK but not England where we live, and I attended school for long enough to pass not only GCSEs but went on to FE too (although 'educated' probably only applies to those with a degree, so maybe I'm not educated after all )

The point is that all sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds voted either leave or remain; racists voted to remain and foreigners voted to leave, and pretending that is not so is just blinkered.

The racist label just gets thrown around as a convenient ad hominem. As a word it's beginning to lose it's power for as it gets used in increasingly frivolous contexts it will make it harder to identify and correct genuine racism, as genuine racists can shrug it off as social justice hyperbole.

There were compelling reasons to vote leave or remain. It's a shame neither official campaign made a good fist of presenting them. Hate crimes went up following the vote by a huge percentage increase, but the thing is the starting number was particularly small to begin with.

When you take the bigotry extant within political ideologies it's getting quite frankly fucking ridiculous. People are starting to live in genuine fear of people with opposing political views than them. We other anyone outside our political in group and make them the root of all evil in society. Both the right and left do this, both Leave and Remain do it, and it's time we pack it in, as that attitude really does leave the door open for some particularly evil shit.

Both the right and left do this, both Leave and Remain do it, and it's time we pack it in, as that attitude really does leave the door open for some particularly evil shit.

YY.

Chili I think it's both racist and sexist in that only certain types of women would be targeted.

User yes, we know which way they voted because they insulted us after I made some comments that were advocating socialism on Facebook. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but I wasn't rude nor insulting so I think it was uncalled for. I regularly interact with many political groups and in my experience, it seems to be an assumption that anyone Asian is Muslim. Of course it could just be I've met a particularly ignorant group of UKIP supporters.

I don't think people should abuse you for your vote but I can understand why people feel upset.

great by comparison to being sucked down the plughole, I guess maria. to be honest, i didn't go much into the conversation with him, because i don't agree and am pro-remain. my point was simply that i know lots of people from all different backgrounds who voted leave, not just the knuckle dragging racist stereotypes that some remainers like to assume.

i completely agree with the PP who says neither side argued well. in my view, one of the biggest mistakes the remain campaign made was forgetting that there were many people outside their London bubble, and they had no idea just how some of those people felt about the uk, the EU and Londoners.

also, having Cameron so involved with remain wasn't great for that campaign. let's face it, leave or remain, everyone hated him.

the people that make me cross are the ones who didn't bother to vote at all. i mean... how can you not vote on something like this?!

kitten - the stuff that has been said to you is awful.

i know a bit how it feels because i met with a fair bit of racism from Asian students when i moved to London for university. in particular, my goodness, one of the girls in my flat had parents who hated white people - some of the things they said about us to try and have her moved into an all Asian flat were revolting. we were all sluts; we were alcoholics; we went with loose men; we didn't know how to work; we were a bad influence... i was only 18 and it was utterly shocking to me that anyone could think that way about someone they'd never met! (and the cruel irony was that their own daughter had had a secret abortion when she was 14 because she was rebelling against them and keeping it all to herself, poor girl was really screwed up about it all)

I've been called a slag on the street in east London for wearing a miniskirt and had some girls try to bump me into the road. I've had various men in various European countries assume i'm easy just because i'm English.

and when i was 8 months pregnant and very uncomfortable in the heat at westfield, a group of ladies in burkhas in looked me up and down and quite deliberately moved so that i couldn't sit down next to them.

bigotry is disgusting and it's upsetting and it should be stamped out at all costs. but it's not exclusively white/brexit. it can happen to anyone and come from anyone, although fortunately i do believe there are far more good, open minds than closed ones.

so yes, i think it is unfair to assume that someone else has never faced it, although i can see why you would given your sad experiences, and to say that anyone who voted brexit is happy with racism is also unfair and perhaps risks polarising dialogue at a time when the country really needs to come together.

we know which way they voted because they insulted us after I made some comments that were advocating socialism on Facebook you can take screen shots and report this as racist abuse Just. If you don't report it, you are allowing them to get away with it and possibly abuse somebody who is not as strong as you are.

I don't think people should abuse you for your vote but I can understand why people feel upset when you use a but like that it sounds like an excuse - you are siding with the abusers.

I think it's both racist and sexist in that only certain types of women would be targeted

So, do you disagree with any policy that targets a specific group? Even when it's known never to occur in certain groups?

it's not exclusively white/brexit

Yes, of course, bigotry can go both ways. But i think we can all agree, like patriarchy, it is more potent against minorities and those who are systemically opressed.

There are an awful lot of racists in the EU. Le Pen coming second in the French elections, the Hungarian government. You're siding with racists by wanting to remain in the same union as those people.

Make - yes, absolutely. But in the context of this discussion, where someone said specifically that all brexiters side with racists, I think it's important to remember that dicks can come in every colour and from every culture!

There are an awful lot of racists in the EU. Le Pen coming second in the French elections, the Hungarian government. You're siding with racists by wanting to remain in the same union as those people.

I find it somewhat rich when Europeans (like Dutch and French) say they are sick of living in this racist country and are seriously considering moving home.

You're siding with racists by wanting to remain in the same union as those people.

Lets not forget Austria's one third of voters going for a severe right wing party.

Poland outright banning abortion.

Two thirds of Slovenians voting against legalising gay marriage.

Who the hell wants to remain in political union with these racist, fascist, homophobic countries.