Transgender students may not have to reveal birth sex to play sports

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"Transgender students should not have to declare their birth gender when applying to university sports clubs, the National Union of Students (NUS) is expected to rule.

It adds that trans and intersex students should not be asked to disclose their legal gender or personal medical information to participate in university sport, including details regarding hormone replacement therapy.

The motion suggests that the NUS follows the lead of Durham University’s new policy on inclusivity, whereby trans and intersex students are allowed to compete and train in whichever team “best fits their gender identity”."

Whole Telegraph article here www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/04/24/transgender-students-should-not-have-declare-birth-gender-applying/

Just FYI, there's one famous video of a lesbian couple, one of whom wants to have their spine severed because of being 'trans-abled'. Then when you read it more closely, you realise this is a couple of lesbian-identified MTTs. The more disturbed one goes around in a wheelchair and gets people to open doors for them. And that's sane?

I think I've read somewhere that a very significant proportion of 'transabled' are also transgender. I wondered if this was their way of 'coping' with the fact that being transgendered hadn't sorted out all their problems like wot it ought to have done , and so they had moved on to something else they needed to change to be the person they thought they needed to be to be happy. I found it a bit disturbing TBH.

Disturbing? try running this past a person with real disabilities. Stand back.
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Trans-abled was actually my best friends peak trans moment. She found she could not differentiate between transabled and transgender in any way that made sense. The utter crazyness of people wanting to cut off healthy limbs and that really shook her. She didn't believe they existed at first.

Cheesy, of course ‘women’ should be a protected class - have you somehow missed out on any awareness of what was happening before we had that protection? Up until very recently we didn’t have rights (the example always used on these threads is that rape within marriage was legal until the 90s), we were literally valued less for doing the same work as men (arguably we still are) and the ones we’ve won are clearly not bedded in if all it takes is a few men who decide they want to be part of that protected class, despite not actually being in it. Much of that revolved around our biological sex differences, like the belief that women were too hormonal to do certain jobs, or that vaginas are designed to accommodate the husband in that way as part of the expectation of marriage, and that women will want to give birth so they'll not be focused on the job etc.

Why do you think we have awards reserved for women in the first place? It’s because historically women haven’t even been permitted to take part in many of the areas concerned. So because of that, we need to work to encourage women into those areas, overcoming attitudes and perceptions that because they haven’t been allowed to do things before, they’re obviously not very good at it. I don’t understand why that’s not blindingly obvious. How do you think we achieve equality without ending sex-based oppression? It's impossible.

It may be ‘only sport’ to you, but just because you almost went to the Olympics doesn’t make you representative of all women in sport - just as you pointed out that one feminist doesn’t speak for all women. My DF almost went to the Olympics but sustained an injury too, in a sport that doesn’t have superstars with big sponsorship deals. Culturally that sport is nothing like MMA, where the stars are famous even in the mainstream of society, or football, which some people build their entire social lives around. This isn’t about what matters to you - it’s about the overall picture of what something you think is small means in the context of everything else going on.

As an aside I bet it won’t be long before we start seeing people who are trans training back to their original gender, only not just calling themselves ‘male’ (if they’re MTT) but actually wanting to be ‘MTFTM'

I am severely disabled, I hope that makes me "allowed" to comment on the Paralympics to those who think it is "disgusting" 😄

I still don't meet the criteria to race in the paralympics (not that I could race anyway, but still!). Tough luck. There are criteria, I don't meet enough of them, such is life. Same should apply to transgender athletes. They may meet hormonal criteria that have been warped to allow them anyway but if they don't meet all of them then no olympics. Such is life.

I think perhaps for some people it' about some deep need to feel different and special, maybe because they don't feel worthy of other people caring about them unless there are? A bit like for some self-harm enables them to then take care of a wound when for most of the rest of the time they feel undeserving of care (and this is a recognised psychology). It's also a way to externalise something physically, which is internal.

In case anyone thinks it's not a big deal, here is a list of the Human Rights of Women that so-called Transgender Rights are eliminating.
No one is saying Trans folk should not have rights, but what IS wrong is that trans activists are denying and destroying the Human Rights of women and children who have no voice at all. Read this list- and wonder. And then, get angry. This is the list, prepared by Gallus Mag, a blogger and writer in the women's community...

• Removing the legal right of women to organise politically against sex-based oppression by males
• Removing the legal right of women to assemble outside the presence of men
• Removing the legal right of women to educational programs created for women outside the presence of men
• Eliminating data collection of sex-based inequalities in areas where females are underrepresented
• Eliminating data collection of sex-based inequalities in areas where females are underrepresented
• Elimination of sex-based crime statistics
• Eliminating athletic programs and sports competition for women and girls
• Removing the legal right of women to be free from the presence of men in areas of public accommodation where nudity occurs
• Elimination of grants, scholarships, board and trustee designations, representative positions, and affirmative programs for women
• Removing the legal right of women to create reproductive clinics, rape crisis services, support groups, or any organisations for females
• Eliminating media and all public discourse specific to females
• Removal of the right of journalists to report the sex, and history, of subjects
• Eliminating the legal right of lesbians to congregate publicly
• Elimination of lesbian-specific organisations and advocacy groups
• Removing the legal right of women to free speech related to sex roles and gender
• Elimination of the legal right of girls and women to protection from state-enforced sex-roles (appearance/behavior/thought) in public education
• Elimination of the patient right of females to hospital/facility bed assignments separate from males
• Elimination of the right of dependent females to prefer female providers for their intimate personal care requirements
• Elimination of the human right of female prisoners under state confinement to be housed separately from male prisoners

Unlike any other "social justice'' venture in history, Transgender Rights are unique in that they are completely based on eliminating the human rights of women. Transgender Rights are the "right" to eliminate the human rights of women.

I've found the link for your post, Pamish. Hope you don't think I'm being cheeky, but I love a link to source material.

@Prawn, thanks, I was being lazy.

That GenderTrender blog is a handy source of all sorts of info and argument.
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