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To not understand all of this Corbyn hate

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clevername · 25/04/2017 22:23

Disclaimer – I consider myself to be an intelligent and thoughtful person but also very uninformed and ignorant of political (and other) current affairs. Largely through my own choosing – I have virtually no faith in politicians and politics at all. I realised a very long time ago that the whole thing was an elaborate farce. I’ve always spoilt my ballot until Nick Clegg won me over and then proved, unequivocally, that I was right to not trust them. I vowed never to vote again but I’m feeling stirred to this time around and have therefore been looking into it more and trying to sift through the inevitable bullshit…

So – what is so bad about Corbyn? From what I understand (do remember my disclaimer and how uninformed I am!), the main people in the Labour party hate him because he is ‘unelectable’. So they’ve wanted him out for a long time but he has refused to go, on account of the fact he has been democratically chosen by the party members to be the leader. This annoys and frustrates them and they therefore blame him for creating an enormous and damaging rift in the party. But, surely, the fact that he has been elected as leader is testament to his popularity with Labour voters? And isn’t it a good thing that he stands his ground? Especially against the kind of people who would rather have someone like Ed Milliband (or his ilk – I don’t know any ‘current’ names) as party leader? Doesn’t it show that he is principled and ‘different’ from the political norm? Isn’t this something that we need?

And what does it matter if the Labour party are in shambles (a common reason I hear for not wanting to vote for them this time)? Surely that’s because of all of the ‘unelectable’ stuff above. But if he were to be elected, I’m guessing those problems would evaporate. Because he would have been elected. And anyway, aren’t political parties often shambolic? Wasn’t May’s drastic cabinet overhaul and sackings at the beginning of her reign (not to mention the Boris/Gove thing in the leadership contest) a clear sign of an ununited, shambolic party?

I realise Corbyn isn’t to everyone’s tastes politically but if you’re left leaning and want to try and get rid of the Tories, surely he’s not such a bad bet?

I’m sorry if this is making me come across as stupid but I genuinely want to know why some people (especially those who would normally consider themselves left-wing or Labour voters) dislike him so much.

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NoLotteryWinYet · 02/05/2017 21:38

Got to remember that Corbyn and McDonnell are not bothered about being bailed out by the IMF if we get into the situation that we can't afford to borrow more - international money markets are all tools of capitalist oppression to the hard left, rather than unavoidable global realities.

flippinada · 06/05/2017 11:27

Not much to smile about yesterday , and I know this thread has gone a bit quiet but this raised a smile as it captures how a lot of us on here (this thread I mean) feel.

newsthump.com/2017/05/05/voters-threatened-with-deselection-after-failing-to-support-jeremy-corbyn/

I'm in Scotland and there's much handwringing on my social media about the increase of the Conservative vote, especially in Scotland. I can't believe people didn't see this coming and I'm really not looking forward to June 8th and the aftermath.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 06/05/2017 11:55

I'm in Scotland and there's much handwringing on my social media about the increase of the Conservative vote, especially in Scotland

I'm in Scotland and can't quite believe I am actually relieved and please at the increase in Conservative support.

NoLotteryWinYet · 06/05/2017 11:59

Love it flippin. Paul Mason was on newsnight last night taking about a progressive alliance including the SNP...so the Labour Party have given up on Scotland then?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/05/2017 12:06

Paul Mason was a disgrace on Newsnight last night.

Calling Tory voters racist is not the way to win them back!

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 06/05/2017 12:07

I saw that. What planet is Paul Mason on?

Ada good article.

NoLotteryWinYet · 06/05/2017 12:14

it's unsurprising labour are doing so badly with this level of talent on display.

flippinada · 06/05/2017 12:16

Lass I don't know I'd go as far as happy and relieved but it should certainly be a wake up call for the left in general.

I'm seeing people saying that the rise in support for the Tories doesn't mean anything. I think some folk are so wedded to the idea of Scotland as some sort of socialist utopia they can't or won't see beyond that.

flippinada · 06/05/2017 12:20

I also reckon that the tory revival up here has to do with people wanting to give a bloody nose to the SNP and their independence at any cost mantra.

NoLotteryWinYet · 06/05/2017 13:02

Also it's obvious the Labour Party havent a prayer, if it was closer people would've felt less comfortable voting tory. If Davidson can she ought to create some distance and more moderate Scottish conservative policies and capitalise on this to make a permanent change.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 06/05/2017 14:50

I agree Lottery Holyrood has powers it could use. Davidson could move Scottish Conservatives to the centre at little risk.

Hard line Tories would have no one else to vote for and the SNP could not adopt policies which were to the right of the Conservatives.

NoLotteryWinYet · 06/05/2017 18:13

Also could lead to a more united conservative/lib/labour block in the parliament - we can only hope!

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 07/05/2017 02:46

I wonder if any of Ruth, Kezia or Nicola take a peep in here.

NoLotteryWinYet · 07/05/2017 10:22

We can only hope - hopefully their network of door knockers, leaflet droppers, local councillors is feeding back the same things to them.

flippinada · 07/05/2017 12:37

I'd be fascinated to know that myself Lass.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/05/2017 13:24

Very funny and wprth watching very tongue in cheek Grin

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