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To be utterly disgusted and depressed that women think its ok to make small penis gags?

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deffonamechange · 22/04/2017 18:16

Just been reading a thread further down where yes some scumbag bloke had been horrible to someone. Lots of outrage and tell him he has a small dick, tell him he has a micro penis basically mock the size of his genitals.

Can you imagine if a woman upset a bloke and all his mates said tell her she has awful labia, tell her her fanny is horrible, tell her she doesnt look normal down there
Its horrific!!

Do you know how many lovely men with smaller penises get inundated with this? Do you know how many teenage boys worry themselves to death because of comments like these?

Its depressing/sexist/cruel and plain nasty. You should be ashamed of yourselves!

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itsmine · 23/04/2017 15:31

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MercyMyJewels · 23/04/2017 15:31

Ah right, I see what you are on about now. Why should I name and shame? You can read the thread as well as I can. Sorry you are sticking to the same line there Lass that I am telling you what you think. It's rather weak

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/04/2017 15:32

Frankly, Lass, I would be utterly flabbergasted if you had!

Thank you Bert.

BertrandRussell · 23/04/2017 15:32

"Who said that on this thread. I must have missed it."

Nobody has. That's why it was an "in passing " comment.

Lass, my last post was in answer to yours of 15.14. The thread has moved on!

WomblingThree · 23/04/2017 15:32

MercyMyJewels why do you have to be so rabidly snarky. What agenda is it actually furthering?

Bertrand I would appreciate it greatly if you read my posts to you.

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MercyMyJewels · 23/04/2017 15:36

I could ask you the same of your posts to me wombling. You seem determined to have a personal go at me.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/04/2017 15:37

Ah right, I see what you are on about now. Why should I name and shame? You can read the thread as well as I can. Sorry you are sticking to the same line there Lass that I am telling you what you think. It's rather weak

Well if you read the thread you will see I did post I agreed with the OP. I am not sure however why I am precluded from commenting on the offensive term "handmaiden" . You are the one who is intent on telling me what my motives are. To be clear, the OP has a valid point and I find handmaiden offensive. It is possible to contain 2 thoughts at the same time.

And what a cop out- you throw out that insult but don't even have the courage of your convictions to say who you were referring to.

MercyMyJewels · 23/04/2017 15:42

It's perfectly clear who they were. It's the handmaiden comment that so riled you. And we keep going back and forth. I get that you really dislike that term. But if you think you are going to force me into submission or something and taking it back, no I won't.

MercyMyJewels · 23/04/2017 15:43

Tell you what, I'll tag you the next time I use it, that way we can continue all the thread fun we have had today Grin

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BertrandRussell · 23/04/2017 15:49

"Nor is it ok to use expressions such as ' "handmaiden'"

Not even if somebody is being one?

I notice that nobody has addressed the question of whether people think feminists have to agree with other women whatever they say.

itsmine · 23/04/2017 15:50

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BertrandRussell · 23/04/2017 15:54

I understood you to say that the expression "handmaiden" should never be used. Were you only referring to this thread? Apologies if you were.

MercyMyJewels · 23/04/2017 15:57

It would be interesting to see what Margaret Atwood would have to say about women wanting the term 'handmaiden' banned Grin

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MerchantofVenice · 23/04/2017 16:05

Lass I've been out of the thread for a while, but I've just noticed this:

Merchant claiming it was a joke is exactly the same as saying " can't you take a joke luv?" Banter and all that.

Up to you and Merchant whether you want to see that or not.

But I don't remember excusing anything as a joke...? What do you mean?

DixieNormas · 23/04/2017 16:08

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MerchantofVenice · 23/04/2017 16:27

I sometimes got the impression that some feminists think all women should agree with them or they arnt the right type of feminist/not feminist and its then ok to use the turn handmaiden or such at them.

I genuinely hope this isn't the case - and I don't think it is...

If a feminist disagrees with another woman, and she says that she disagrees, that's surely fine? I've rarely heard a woman say "Well, you're not the right sort of feminist because you said that" - usually it's a more direct engagement with the content of the point. If woman B then wants to infer that woman A is saying she's not a feminist, well...if the cap fits and all that...

However, the term 'handmaiden' has caused so much upset because, I suppose, it's a short-hand way of saying 'You're not a feminist". But surely if you're arguing a non-feminist view, you would already know you're not a feminist... Hell, some posters even state 'I'm not a feminist' - and then get all upset if they suspect someone's called them a handmaiden. Odd.

At the risk of sounding extremely simplistic, I'd say you can either be a feminist or a non-feminist (which would make you a... no, I'm not going to say it). But I don't see much of a grey area; either you're fighting to install equality, or you're accepting male privilege. I realise that in real life, things can get a bit hazy - but on here, it's usually a debate about principles and ideas. Perhaps I'm a very extreme radfem (but I don't think so...) - but I rarely find myself angrily disagreeing with other feminists. I might on occasion think the odd feminist has taken things too far, but I can sympathise and see where they're coming from.

I think if you regularly find yourself in conflict with feminists on MN, and feel that they're trying to tell you you're 'the wrong kind of feminist', well, you may want to look very closely at your feminist credentials.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/04/2017 16:39

I understood you to say that the expression "handmaiden" should never be used. Were you only referring to this thread? Apologies if you were

No. I meant generally. It gets thrown out as if it were a trump card, the definitive word. And it isn't- it's a lazy argument designed to end discussion and put people in their place. That is what Mercy is doing. She asserts there were a lot of handmaidens on this thread but becomes all coy as it's obvious, (innit)

But I don't remember excusing anything as a joke...? What do you mean?

Apologies, it was Mercy who told me to "do fuck off dear" and then claimed it was a joke. I got you mixed up with Mercy because of your (unwarranted) comment around the same time about "looking forward to seeing me on posts defending women." As I said, I think you will find plenty of posts where my views are pretty much in line with those of radical feminists on some issues.

I notice that nobody has addressed the question of whether people think feminists have to agree with other women whatever they say

Of course not. Who has said they should? Women who say they are feminists don't even agree with other women who say they are feminists. That is not what the point of my objection to "handmaiden" is.

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MercyMyJewels · 23/04/2017 16:39

" lazy, misogynistic insult"
Actually it isn't, it's a highly useful term born from a respected novel. But you are free to push that line if it suits your agenda

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