To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

[cathf]

This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

I think the brutality of the current government is breathtaking. Truly breathtaking.

Sauchiehall street in Glasgow is like a shanty town. Closed shops, young men and some young women sleeping in groups in doorways.

Things are not getting better for so many folk.

But I also think a lot of people have done very nicely out of successive conservative governments. The fact that friends have houses in London which earn them more annually than two wages combined is not right.

So voting Tory ... it means to me that you are in favour of punishing the poor,sick,disabled through sanctions. You are in favour of breaking the NHS and literally letting people die so that in a few years some shareholders can make money through private healthcare. You are in favour of shunting the less wealthy out of parts of our cities byt forcing the men to travel in to service the wealthy.

I could never vote conservative. Yet Labour is not a viable alternative at the moment. Who do you vote for?

Love it when the OP seems to have selective hearing.

Chop, I have no doubt mad Tories do exist and I am sure they are very unpleasant. i would not deny that for a second.
I was specifically talking about social media and boards like this one, when any post about politics always end up in mud-slinging from Labour supporters.
Take your pick - there's plenty to choose from. There was one last week where one woman posted what her husband would do to avoid paying extra tax if Labour won, and the amount of name-calling and insults was breath-taking. You may not agree with the content of the post, but at least debate in a mature fashion without resorting to calling the OP eg an entitled mare.
Or is that OK?

Chop, cross-posted, but thank you, I rest my case ...

Oh my god and what about when people on here start threads about having run out of money at the end of the month, or going to food banks, there are ALWAYS people making snidey awful comments about how they're using the internet if they're so skint etc, and how they should learn to manage money better.

Pricks on both side, I'm telling you.

Someone on that thread you mentioned told a poster that society shouldn't have to pay for her disabled children. You don't think that's nasty??

Chop, cross-posted, but thank you, I rest my case ...

Eh? Are you implying I've somehow been "nasty" to you? I think maybe your problem is you're a bit oversensitive TBH.

TheBogQueen More people live in worse conditions in socialist countries.
Most conservatives want a fairer and better country/world - we just disagree with the Labour party on how to achieve it.

@caroldecker do you think what is happening just now is fair?

It's absolute greed.

When you think of the generation who lived through the horrors of the Second World War and then rolls up its sleeves and built a fairer society for subsequent generations -and then you see the unashamed profiteering of privatised public services, the people literally dying on trollies in corridors in A&E, junior doctors breaking from the strain, parents going without meals so their children can eat.

This is 21st century U.K. And it has happened over the last decade. Austerity? I don't see much austerity in parts of our cities or well-to-do little market towns.

They are ruining our country. They want a tax haven for the rich post Brexit and we will be there to service their needs.

BigGranny
Firstly a lot of the reporting by the Left on 'everything going to hell in a handcart' and 'Tories killing people' is bollocks.
The poor in the UK are better off today, better fed, better housed and with longer lives than ever.
This doesn't mean there aren't difficulties or individual sad lives.
The key points are:

1. Giving things to people does not help in the long run and the easier you make support, the more people take the piss.
2. The rich only exist because they are encouraged to work hard. Tax take in the UK has remained remarkable stable at around 35-36% of GDP since the mid-sixties. Raising marginal rates on the rich does not increase tax income, it just discourages earning and encourages tax avoidance - note the number of years the Rolling Stones spent non-UK resident in the 70's.

Creating a fairer society is about enabling people to develop their potential and also realizing some peoples potential is lower than others. The Conservative party are far from perfect, but better than any Labour government we have had.

@caroldecker I wholly disagree with pretty much everything you've said. The poor are poorer, you mentioned Tories killing people, I'll give you one figure alone, 6000 people who were deemed fit to work by the DWP, died within 2 weeks of being told that. You are judging virtually everyone on benefits as being piss takers, I can only assume you are going by the stories you see in the press about the ones with 15 kids and still going etc. Most people on benefits need support to help them fulfill their potential and become people who will in the future pay in to the pot. I'm not saying there aren't people who claim fraudulently but the fact you suggest that this applies to anyone who is supported by the state shows how for removed you are from reality. Not everyone who is rich has worked hard, quite a few of them have inherited, been gifted it or won it. Regardless of their wealth and how they got it, they are in a position to help others. A family member of mine who works closely with a church/food bank met Prince Andrew recently who told her that people go to foodbanks because it's convenient and they are lazy and that the rich shouldn't be taxed because there aren't that many of them really and the higher tax should be passed on to the lower and middle class! This is not about creating a fairer society at all, it's the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

Dont worry cathf Im not going to accuse you of running away. Ive got other things to think about. My 67 year old DH has emphysema ischemic heart disease and arthritis and has received the letter for his DLA to PIP assessment Its not even in the same county and he is not up to travelling. So we have put in a request for a home assesment.

He had a home assessment in 1995 (post arthritis but pre emphysema and heart disease) where he was subjected to an anal exam and the bloody assessor sprayed KY Jelly all over my dressing table all up the mirror and loads on the bedspread. After dumping his case on my dressing table sending my stuff flying. In the report it says DH had no trouble going upstairs to the toilet. WE LIVE IN A FLAT. It is a myth that DLA has been easy to claim Its always been hard. DH had a heart attack in 2006 leading to the difficulties he has now. He also developed COPD It took until late 2008 for him to get what he was entitled to. People are getting called in again and again for reaasesment And within 3 years this will include the over 70s (DH is 67)

samedifference1.com/2016/01/12/nine-out-of-ten-atos-pip-assessment-centres-dont-exist/

"More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette"

A slogan from just one of the adverts that was the backdrop to DHs youth . Governments of the time were happy to take the revenue There was a report outlining concerns about the safety of smoking in 1956. It was buried.

And now people want to whine when the reckoning has to be paid!

I'm a proud leftie but I find the behaviour rather embarrassing. I'm all for democracy, and people are entitled to believe in what they want no matter how much I disagree. Dp is very vocal, particularly on social media, on his political stance. Tory supporters are the devil and frankly I find it embarrassing. During brexit I had to unfollow him as I couldn't cope. He called my old manager a c*! I prefer an open honest conversation, he prefers slander. I don't like it one bit.

What TheBogQueen said.

@HelenaDove is the assessment soon?

They want to do it next week They said the request for home assesment will take 5 working days to refuse or deny.

What i want to know is how many emergency admissions to NHS hospitals have been caused by unwell ppl having to travel to assesments they are not fit enough to travel to. Many have collapsed just before/during/after assessments. IMO the NHS should be sending them the bill.

Most conservatives want a fairer and better country/world

Achieved how, exactly? How is highest ever levels of food bank use fair? A reduction in school funding? The introduction of grammar schools? How will poorer people pay for health care? How is it fair that people diagnosed with cancer are deemed fit for work? That working families have been fit with huge cuts in tax credits? That housing costs continue to rise?

Creating a fairer society is about enabling people to develop their potential and also realizing some peoples potential is lower than other

Granted, we can't all be rocket scientists but how do you propose the working classes keep a roof over their heads, pay for childcare and put food on the table? Or are we saying, for example, a shop,assistant, who works 40 hours a week on their feet all day, everyday, doesn't deserve a roof over their heads? Food? A family? Or do we just shrug our shoulders and say 'they should work harder' because I earn more?

I don't see a Conservative answer to this so, please, explain how it's going to work?

Yy hackmum.

I meant the NHS should be sending the companies the bill obvs.

Here are a few to get you started.

Yeah, thanks, but I was meaning websites equivalent to The Canary, not Fleet Street papers with which I'm actually quite familiar.

I don't see a Conservative answer to this so, please, explain how it's going to work?

The theory there is a combination of trickle-down economics and a rising tide lifting all boats. I'm not endorsing the theory and am bowing out now as this thread is clearly best left to the party hacks from all sides.

The poorest in our society are actually working. But there are not enough hours available, jobs are insecure, few rights.

Conservative voters know this. They just don't care.

The wealth is not trickling down. It is bejng taken out of the country. Wages are not rising. But rents are.

How is it that a family -both parents working - can find themselves homeless after their landlord raised their rent sky high, find themselves in a single roomed 'emergency' accommodation costing £700 per month? How the hell do you dig yourself out if that one? Or are they just not working hard enough?