To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

[cathf]

This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

I think the real nastiness amongst the far left is amongst themselves .. I remember back in the seventies and early eighties the left - while hating Thatcher etc - really hated other left factions more - Peoples Judean Popular Front v Judeans Peoples Popular Front etc - and that dynamic seems to have 're- surfaced along with some old school sexism and misogyny that has always lurked in left circles as much if not more as in the Right and tory parties

Makeour

USSR, Cuba, North Korea, most of Africa, China (until it embraced capitalism in its economy), UK in the 70's, Eastern Europe, India (for many years), most of Latin America etc.
In 1911 Argentina had the same GDP per head as the UK and didn't have 2 major wars. Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world and food shortages.

I've lost count of the number of vile things my left leaning friends have posted on facebook about people who chose to vote different to them or have different opinions. Have I ever posted in kind... no. I'm right leaning, probably centre-right for what it's worth.

I'd rather post reasons why I wouldn't vote for the left, rather than criticisms or insults aimed at the people who use their democratic free will to chose that path.

Not that I do that either though, fuck that for a laugh, lifes too short, posting that I don't particularly like the current form of Labour government would be like opening the door to their echo chamber and throwing a grenade in, opening shots in a war I don't have the inclination or patience to want to participate in.

I'd hazard a guess and say a majority of my friends don't know what party I vote for, probably only my partner knows.

My experience has been just the opposite, Biker. I've blocked a few people's posts until after the election, just in case I'm tempted to respond after too much wine.

Biker, your post is the kind of thing that made me start this thread in the first place!
I am sure most of my friends don't know that I am a closet Tory, although all my family have always voted Conservative.
The part of the country I live in is staunch Labour, so the default is you are assumed to be Labour unless you state otherwise. I don't have the energy to state otherwise!
Shockers, I have also unfriended a dear friend because of this nonsense, as I am sure by June 8 I would have had to comment on some of the nonsense she is posting.
Yesterday's gems included (they are always links to various websites which are presumably written by 14-year-olds):
Teresa May wore 'diamond' trimmed shoes on the One Show while nurses have to use foodbanks;
Anyone who thinks Jeremy Clarkson is unelectable is falling for Tory Propaganda (this is a recurring theme - apparently ALL of the media is Tory biased)
A photo of Teresa May arriving at an airfield with about 10 people compared to a photo of a JC rally with thousands of followers - who is the most popular?
It's so infantile and simplistic and to be honest - rather embarrassing.

And of course, not to forget the classic virtue signalling apology for the amount of political posts, but she is trying to save a nation.

I usually avoid political threads and I'm only posting this now because I'm name changing later today.

I think there's a great deal of truth underlying OP's question. I'm very interested in politics. So are many of my friends and between us we cover a lot of the political spectrum. But I'm tired of being sent links to websites that say (for example) that anyone who votes Tory at the forthcoming election actively wants people who receive benefits to die. (I dare say there are other websites saying anyone who votes Labour wants us to live in a Maoist dictatorship but I haven't yet been sent the link). Such a claim cheapens the whole political debate and brings it down to the level of name calling. We'll never attract good people into politics when it's all reduced to puerile sound bites.

To be fair Catronfon, Jeremy clarkson probably is unelectable. I have no idea where that came from!

People are angry at the things the right are voting for - they are seeing first hand the impact of austerity and are genuinely frightened for the future. It's difficult to remain calm and measured when confronted with people who say that they are choosing to vote for policies which have literally killed people

Or maybe we're angry you keep attacking Corbyn instead of looking at his policies and explaining why you don't like them?
Or maybe everyone has looked at his policies and decided their is no way Corbyn can deliver all those policies, afford all those policies and he doesn't seem to have any grasp of the impact of all those policies.

And yes they are affordable, if we can afford wars we can afford to save the NHS I think it makes the hard left angry that moderates just dont take that idea seriously. That's because it isn't true. What makes you think we can afford wars? I think the army would politely say we can't. We intervene in Afghanistan it costs us, we dont intervene in Syria it costs us.

And what makes you so sure that money is the only thing that would save the NHS? Most experts seem to agree the NHS needs massive change. Until we get reform it will only ever be a black hole. And unfortunately the alt left screams blue murder when anyone tries to improve hospitals. So you reap what you sow, and just keep getting angrier.

Jeremy Clarkson is probably (and horrifyingly) more electable than both May and Corbyn.

Cast your eyes over the pond, folks... we live in bonkers times!

I just can't understand why anyone would think that pointing out that TM was wearing fancy shoes would male anyone think: You are right, she is a monster. I shall vote for Labour now. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
I have not seem anything pointing out there is a housing crisis yet JC lives in a £650,000 house. That would be the equivalent, but thankfully Tory voters seem to see things in a less simplistic way, it seems.
As I said, it's all rather embarrassing and childish and it makes the posters look slightly, well, mad.
I have no problem with anyone voting for Labour, even though I won't. As it happens, I think JC has some interesting ideas and I think people will start to warm to him as the campaign goes on.
I do have a problem with people who clog up social media with hysterical nonsense which - in my opinion - does nothing for their cause and reflects badly on their judgement.

I have not seem anything pointing out there is a housing crisis yet JC lives in a £650,000 house. That would be the equivalent, but thankfully Tory voters seem to see things in a less simplistic way, it seems.

You've just done it, OP?

.... and I would add that you must only know that because it has indeed been carped about/ commented on somewhere: otherwise how could you possibly know?

I dare say there are other websites saying anyone who votes Labour wants us to live in a Maoist dictatorship but I haven't yet been sent the link

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
www.telegraph.co.uk/
www.thetimes.co.uk/
www.thesun.co.uk/

Here are a few to get you started.

"Labour supporters think tories are evil."

Certainly they think many current Tory policies are evil.

In my opinion, removing a mobility car from a man with only one arm and no legs so that he cannot get to work and subsequently loses his job is evil.
Quite a few Tories think it's evil, too.

Yeah Piggy it was on some (obviously biased) website.
If only all media was as neutral as The Canary eh?

Has anyone - really - had their Facebook page clogged up by right-wing Tory propaganda? Examples?
I am quite prepared to be proved wrong, but I don't think it exists.
We are now up to Page 39 of comments and no-one has pointed to any whatsoever, unless I have missed something?
There have been plenty of insults flung at Tories by posters, plenty of personal insults flung at me, plenty of anecdotal extreme examples of Tory policy, but no-one has pointed to any Tory propaganda out there.
Sits back and waits for someone to say that all media is Tory propaganda

Sits back and waits for someone to say that all media is Tory propaganda

You seem intelligent. You don't think the Mail is propaganda? Really?

Yes, I have absolutely OP.

My whole estate facebook page around each election, around Brexit. Any time travellers are mentioned (that is specifically right wing admittedly, rather than Tory I guess) - some quite rpesonally insulting stuff aimed at an environmental campaigner , too.

And vile vile anti Hillary stuff from the US constantly from my BIL - who is British and voted Tory when he lived here.

I have one friends who posts left wing rants but then only her friends can see it. The whole estate is subjected to the bile that comes out of the mouths of people on my estate.

There are vicious dickheads on both the left and right, to claim the right wing are never nasty is absolutely laughable, the poison that drips off the front page of the mail sometimes? But I'm guessing because you agree with the sentiment you can't see it.

Honestly this whole "poor me I'm a Tory" schtick is getting ollld.

I notice there's been very little response to HelenaDove's link to the story about Kelvin McKenzie's remarks about Jeremy Corbyn. From the article:

'In a recent interview with the New York Times, MacKenzie reportedly said: “I think the fake news headline that would give this country the most joy would be: ‘Jeremy Corbyn knifed to death by an asylum seeker’.”'

Now let's just imagine the response if someone on the left had made a similar remark about Theresa May. We all know what it would be like, don't we? The squeals of outrage about how nasty the left are, how spiteful, how they always resort to personal attacks.

So how many Tories have condemned McKenzie's remarks about Corbyn? Funny, but I haven't seen a single one. It's almost as if the Tories, as well as having policies designed to cause suffering to the poorest and most vulnerable in society, are also raging hypocrites.

Who'd a thunk it?

Helena, I think the rejoicing at Margaret Thatcher's death, the parties and the releasing of The Witch is Dead kind of disproves your point really.

You HONESTLY think there's no "nastiness" from the right? You're so clueless. People are giving examples here and you're just ignoring them.

My right wing uncle talks about "libtards" and you should hear the language he uses about certain labour female MPs. He practically relishes any terrorist attack in Europe and uses it as a chance to spout racist crap.

Anyway Helena, we will never agree. I think you are completely blinkered and can't see sense and you clearly think the same about me.
Shall we agree to differ?
I will await the post where you accuse me of running away.