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To think that some left-wing supporters are just so NASTY

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cathf · 22/04/2017 14:22

This is based on posts I have read on here and a couple of very vocal left-wing friends I have on facebook.
I have truly never read a Conservative supporter personally attacking Labour in the same way.
I find it astonishing and if I am honest, a bit childish.
Recent examples include a website pulling Teresa May's living room apart and costing out every single thing in it, to a chorus of comments along the lines of how can she sleep at night when children are hungry and she has a £25 candle.
Every time the subject is raised on here, there is a long thread of hysterical comments about how nasty the Tories are. Yes, Tory supporters state their case and answer back, but they seem to be able to do it in a more restrained, mature manner than outraged Labour screamers.
There seems to be a lot of personal bile aimed at Teresa May, which I am at a loss to understand - just what has she done that is so terrible?
She is pushing through Brexit, but that was what the country voted for. Is she supposed to go against the country's wishes?
All of Labour's policies look very lovely, but none have any substance at all. My friend recently stated on Facebook she was supporting Jeremy Corbyn because he wanted peace not war. And? How is he going to implement that then? It reminds me of the 1980s T-shirts stating War is Stupid. Lots of nice words, but to implementation strategies.
It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people seem to be so brainwashed by this nonsense and think that flinging mud is an appopriate way to behave.
Is it just me?

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HelenaDove · 30/04/2017 19:08

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-skewered-live-tv-refusing-10326568

to accept that nurses are using food banks.

HelenaDove · 30/04/2017 19:40

More detail here........

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/trainee-nurses-depend-food-banks-8386405

CopperRose · 30/04/2017 22:52

It's not 'nurses using food banks', it's student nurses - so a lot different to the narrative of 'nurses are starving'.

And the main contributor across many papers talking about this is Danielle Tiplady - the same person who was interviewed in her nurses uniform on BBC news, also meeting JC.

She's a committed & vocal labour activist, so not 'just an ordinary nurse', who has no agenda.

Should people be having to use food banks?
No.

Is it a sad indictment of the state of our society that people have to use food banks?
Yes.

But it's disingenuous reporting to wilfully misrepresent things like this.

BigGrannyPants · 30/04/2017 23:48

So it's ok for our future nurses to need food banks... might not make it to the end of their studies because of financial pressure but hey as long as it's not the current nurses Hmm

Ceto · 01/05/2017 00:00

Nursing recruitment is way down since the loss of bursaries and the referendum. That fact doesn't change whether it's reported by a labour activist or not. So, entirely predictably, that nasty piece of cost-cutting impacts on all of us, not just nurses.

This government works on the basis that they can get away with cuts to the health service because existing staff don't want to see patients suffering. What they didn't factor in was the obvious fact that it would stop people taking jobs in the NHS at all. But somehow they think they can convince us all that they are not utterly incompetent, or utterly venial, or both. I know people will vote for them because they want to believe the nonsense about not raising taxes, but doesn't there have to come a time when we recognise that destroying the NHS is too high a price to pay?

ExplodedCloud · 01/05/2017 00:08

Ceto don't forget that the effects of reduced nursing intake aren't immediate. Stop it in 2016. The effects aren't felt at all for 3 or 4 years. And then it gets worse as nurses leave or retire and nobody is coming through.
Even if this is reversed, we'll have a dip that will ripple forward.

caroldecker · 01/05/2017 00:27

Exploded no reduced intake, just reduced applications. More than enough to fill places applied. The bursary limited numbers who could be trained, remove it and more training places are available, so more nurses are trained.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/05/2017 01:08
ExplodedCloud · 01/05/2017 01:18

carol dream on love.

NotCarylChurchill · 01/05/2017 01:49

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HelenaDove · 01/05/2017 02:16

"I would say your average labour voter is less well educated than your average Tory voter. No question"

And the title of the thread gets disproven yet again.

Want2bSupermum · 01/05/2017 02:28

I would say your average labour voter is someone who benefits from a big government while the average tories voter is someone who benefits from a small government. The working class IMO are stuck between a rock and a hard place because neither the tories or labour support them. I think this is why they are drawn to UKIP.

I don't think who you vote for is correlated to education.

JanetBrown2015 · 01/05/2017 09:16

"Less well educated" is a fact and it's not nasty, surely?

makeourfuture · 01/05/2017 09:34

I think drawing back further, right wing ideology is based on religious (see Weber's Protestant Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism) superstition and faulted social Darwinism, left wing on science and rationality.

PigletJohn · 01/05/2017 09:34

Show us the evidence that convinced you it was a fact.

CopperRose · 01/05/2017 09:50

left wing on science and rationality.

I agree about the 'Protestant work ethic' of Weber re the right wing ideology, however left wing under JC is most definitely Marxist in nature & a considered move toward communism rather than science & rationality.

It plays well to the idealistic student young and the collective guilt of the moneyed socialists but fails to address the tangible wants & aspirations of the working masses.

makeourfuture · 01/05/2017 10:05

however left wing under JC is most definitely Marxist in nature & a considered move toward communism rather than science & rationality.

I don't see a conflict between socialism and science. I think they are two sides of the same coin. Socialism is not religion, Marx was not particularly ethically prescriptive - he was making descriptive predictions on how capitalism will become outdated and we will move to a more utilitarian societal structure.

I think climate change is a very good indicator that Marx may have well been on to something; capitalism requires perpetual growth and poor use of resources. To continue as we have will mean chaos. But by using science and accepting science, we have a chance.

CopperRose · 01/05/2017 10:11

But the world we live in has moved on from the neat packaging of the super narratives.

Marx's ideology is still relevant to some extent, but it doesn't 'work' as an overarching theme anymore.

That's why JC et al are spectacularly missing the point.
In the contemporary world, people do not so easily 'fit' into prescribed boxes of those narratives.

To move the Marxist ideology into relevance it needs to be rethought, and JC et al do not have the imagination unfortunately.

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 01/05/2017 10:30

"Less well educated" is a fact and it's not nasty, surely?

Only a fact with attached evidence. And , I think we could quibble for a long time over what the poster - or anyone- means by 'well educated' anyway.

Not nasty, but in the context of the original post ,several pages ago, sneering and somehow being used as contributory evidence that the left wing are nasty which is just bizarre to be frank!

makeourfuture · 01/05/2017 10:47

But the world we live in has moved on from the neat packaging of the super narratives.

I agree that he world has moved on. For this reason Marx cannot be held up as scripture. There was no way he could have known about digital for instance.

Moreover, conditions have not replicated the European model around the world. Who could have predicted the Chinese blend of authoritarianism, socialism and capitalism would catapult them to the worlds largest economy (as predicted shortly)? Nor has the developing world followed the path of large scale iron-based industry.

But despite these differing developments, we have seen Marx proven correct in predicting that a class of ultra rich would monopolise wealth and power. It has just occurred globally. The great houses of the English countryside are now elsewhere.

I am not sure why you feel that this doesn't absolutely affect the average worker. It does. The West is not in ascendancy any longer....and the movement of jobs to other areas is as much a cause of our stagnation as any local condition.

HelenaDove · 01/05/2017 17:21

Thatcher saw us as a nation of shopkeepers. She didnt foresee the internet.

Or internet shopping.

HelenaDove · 01/05/2017 17:22

"Not nasty, but in the context of the original post ,several pages ago, sneering and somehow being used as contributory evidence that the left wing are nasty which is just bizarre to be frank"

Yep.

HelenaDove · 05/05/2017 00:08

Yep Heres an article about that well known "left" winger Kelvin McKenzie and the nasty comments hes made!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/03/kelvin-mackenzie-sun-corbyn-knifed-tories?CMP=share_btn_tw