Carole Middleton went out of her way to marry off her daughters to society millionaires & royalty or mere coincidence??

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Aibu to think that Carole Middleton went out of her way to marry off Kate & Pippa to royalty & society millionaires?? Wills & James Matthews are hardly oil paintings, would the girls look at them twice if they worked in Tesco? Reading about Pippa's wedding tonight & it seems the sisters were both quite the social climbers in Marlborough which was encouraged by their mother? I have friends in similar circles & it seems they are very hard to break into if you are not "old money/landed gentry types" so I think Carole achieved what she set out to do! Roll on Pippa's wedding, looking forward to seeing the dress!

Surely it's social -/ work circles you move in?
It's also back grounds so they will have more in common with each other than I have with either of them.

It's like singers marrying famous people. Just circles you mix in.

If you saw them walking down the high street and didn't know them you'd be wondering what on earth she was doing with him. Either a big cock or a lot of money.

Only if you are incredibly shallow.

I actually find this whole narrative really deeply and unpleasantly misogynistic. Like...Mike Middleton and Prince William are just these big lunks who can't help themselves, while Carole Middleton and Kate are the penis whisperers, who must be slapped down for daring to use their dark magic to step outside the rightful social order.

penis whisperers

Kate was at Marlborough. Highgrove is near Tetbury. 35 miles away. Rather large spit.

It is when you're part of a group that makes up only 7% of the national population.

My DCs are privately educated and we have friends at other private schools all over the county. And our current school friends also have friends at other private schools across the county. The playground gossip frequently features what other schools are up to. It's a very small community.

Kate and Wills would have moved in the same teenage circles. No doubt there were some girls at Marlborough who had brothers at Eton. The schools would have played sport against each other presumably. 'So and so's Daddy used to go to school with the Prince of Wales' private secretary.' That kind of thing.

it doesn't help that neither sister has done or achieve anything since leaving uni. Pippa has done a few sporting events, but nothing else. It's not like they have been invested in anything, a job, art, charity, a pop "career", a fashion career, anything really. They made a choice.

Of course they have been working really hard on achieving their new social status, and haven't been shy or hiding from the public eye but tried to cash on any possible opportunity since they got it.

Why is it so shocking that the goal for some girls is to "marry well"? It's not new, it's not ground breaking. You might chose a different path yourself, but don't get angry when others are pointing out the obvious.

It's not 'pointing out the obvious' that's the issue. It's the defamatory and down-right nasty, baseless lies that some of us nicer mners are taking issue with.

well, things have probably changed a lot now, but before Kate was married, the Middleton sisters were really rude and unpleasant, so I don't have much sympathy. Ask many of the waiters or staff who had to work for or around? them

It's not like they care, or even read, the comments about them.

"Shes hardly Elizabeth Woodville."

Brilliant!

To be honest I think there's some truth in the social climbing rumours, apparently in Marlborough that the Middletons were ridiculed as they always had the best of everything as opposed to second hand like alot of the old money pupils. Parents said they were made to feel inferior by the Middletons standard of perfection.
Above thread someone said a friend intends trying to ensure her dd moves in P George's circles, I'm sure there are some of parents who plan the same & will send their kids to Thomas Battersea for this reason

I'm a huge fan of Carole Middleton, and if Kate & William make it long term, it will be due to her steadfastness and the normal family backdrop she provides for Kate and her family. I think it's safe to say she has changed more of her children's and grandchildren's nappies than Prince Charles ever has. William actually wanted to spend any time with his father, and if Prince Charles actually wanted to ever see his grandchildren, I'm sure it would happen, but the fact is that he actively chooses to spend time with his PIL's.

If Carole encouraged Kate's relationship with William over the years, then I'm sure that's no more or less than any of us would have done if our daughters met a friendly, polite and unpretentious young man with a fucked up family but strong career prospects, but I do think it's a pity she didn't push for Kate to have a career during the gap between her graduation and marriage, particularly one that she might have been able to keep a hand in (nothing springs to mind, but I'm sure there must be something - charity fundraising etc.).

I think that what is happening to Meghan Markle right now is very telling though. The engagement hasn't been announced yet, but she has given up her website (it's simply GONE), is dropping her modelling contracts, leaving her job etc. It's like her professional life is being wiped "clean" ahead of her new job as Harry's wife, which I find very unsettling, particularly as Harry never seemed all that interested in that side of being a Royal, but evidently he is.

I think Pippa is going to have a much more interesting and free life over the next 50 years than her sister or Meghan.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/01/middleton-sisters-intimidated-classmates_n_3193539.html

I'm sure there are some parents who plan the same & will send their kids to Thomas Battersea for this reason

That's probably true, but it's a big stretch to force them into marriage from that position . Yes, proximity helps, but no matter how hard Kate may have worked, William (the world's most eligible bachelor at the time) wouldn't have married her unless he wanted to. I get the impressionfrom the tabloids that William doesn't do anything he doesn't want to...

However, if an obscure self-made businesswoman is able to make the Royal Family, including the monarch (HMQ has to sign off on royal marriages) dance to her tune, then perhaps we should encourage her to take over running the country. She'd certainly give Trump a run for his money.

Am I the only person on this thread who finds it rather depressing that there are women around who give this sort of rubbish any credence in this day and age? That they think it's something for serious consideration and something they might conceivably do themselves had they had the opportunities and connections? And as a result are a bit miffed that it didn't happen for them - because otherwise why on Earth does it matter even if the OP's fantastic yarn is how it did actually play out?

Meghan's new full time career will her charity work. Something she clearly already enjoys and will continue to do so, side by side with her new DH.

Parents said they were made to feel inferior by the Middletons standard of perfection.

It was more than the Middletons were cringing, well off parents are not made inferior by someone showing off money. The better off parents have nothing to prove, and see nothing wrong in letting their kids wear hand-me downs from their siblings.

Allegedly

We keep hearing that Kate is representing the country, and doing it well. I strongly disagree with that, and that's why I judge. If she had married some rich unknown and was out of the public eye, I would not care a bit. I suspect she would be in one of the reality show, she loves the limelight (butt everyone?), but who knows.

Anyone thinking the only way 2 sisters could have married so well is down to a scheming mother just don't understand how the social circles of rich Chelsea works

I was in the same school year as KM, at a similar sort of school which was on the same sports-matches-circuit at Marlborough, and had many friends at Marlborough (including my best friend's twin)

They weren't nicknamed anything, Carole wasn't notorious, Kate was a very 'head down and work' person.
When she revealed as going out with Prince William, we obviously called up our OM mates to ask about her, and the response was 'yeah, we were quite surprised! How weird is that, one of our classmates has hooked up with a proper prince'

Pippa hasn't done anything that many of my friends have done - it is really not unusual to be a beautiful woman with enough independent money to be able to live a very nice life in London before meeting and marrying someone with bags of money.

Granted, I haven't, but the above-mentioned best friend has. We don't give her mum any credit for anything other than a fabulous outfit at their wedding.

I think you start by sending them to a private school, as expensive as possible - which will put them in contact with rich men - to mis-quote Mrs Bennett

Not sure but for some reason I can't stand the look of that woman's hard face

sparechange at last someone comes along to talk some sense!

Spot on Sparechange.

What's up with all the odd cooing over James Mathews?

I never went to private school or moved in those sort of circles until uni. It never occurred to me that some young women were out to snag a rich well-heeled man. Granted there were loads of them about. Anyway, it was always the international students that had the real dosh

How do you go about "marring your children off"? I can't even get mine to change their socks.

Oh and yes YABU. I very much doubt they had to frogmarch the DOCs down the aisle.

I can say hand on my heart I LOVE Carole Middleton!
She's my idol. What is not to love? Her grit? Her determination? The fact that she created a family with zero scandal? The fact that she's created a fairly big business? That she raised some decent children? That she's still maintains her teenager waistline?
I come from similar background to her and managed to do well in life both in marriage and career. I went to a poor school overseas as I am an immigrant but that doesn't stop me from sending my kid to an equally 'socially climbing' place like Marlborough.
I love Mrs Middleton.

If you saw them walking down the high street and didn't know them you'd be wondering what on earth she was doing with him. Either a big cock or a lot of money.

See I find comments like that and about Prince William being no oil painting rather crass to be honest and just shows how shallow some people can be.