Carole Middleton went out of her way to marry off her daughters to society millionaires & royalty or mere coincidence??

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Aibu to think that Carole Middleton went out of her way to marry off Kate & Pippa to royalty & society millionaires?? Wills & James Matthews are hardly oil paintings, would the girls look at them twice if they worked in Tesco? Reading about Pippa's wedding tonight & it seems the sisters were both quite the social climbers in Marlborough which was encouraged by their mother? I have friends in similar circles & it seems they are very hard to break into if you are not "old money/landed gentry types" so I think Carole achieved what she set out to do! Roll on Pippa's wedding, looking forward to seeing the dress!

The two cOfe schools I checked treat attendance to a member of "churches together" as equal to attending a COfE church. This seems to include Catholic Churches.

All irrelevant to whether Carole Middleton did or did not force Kate and William to marry. :o

Near me there are many Catholic schools (primary and secondary), Church of Ireland schools (primary and secondary) a Jewish school (secondary) and a Muslim school (primary). Anyone can apply , but their policy is that those that are of the faith of the school have first dips (I may have paraphrased).

As far as I know the only school that doesn't have anyone of any other faith is the Muslin school. This is because more Muslim children living in the area than there are places in the Muslim school, so the places are exhausted before they have got to the end of the list a applicants who are Muslim.

The Church of Ireland is very difficult to get a place at, but you might get one if you apply early enough - this is due to there being a reasonable population of Church of Ireland children and small number of schools.

There's fewer Jewish children than places in the Jewish school, and far fewer catholic children than there are in the area than there are places in the Catholic schools. This means that the list of applicants who are of the faith of the school is exhausted before the places at filled (plus the fact the Jewish school is fee paying!!)

Faith schools are there to educate the children in the ethos of that faith, so why would someone want to go there if they aren't of that said faith? It's because it's a 'good school' isn't it? If it was a 'bad' Catholic school in your area their acceptance policy wouldn't bother you would it?

Here it's actually quite difficult to get into a non faith schools - the overriding majority being Catholic.

A few points from me:

1. Matron of Honour is not very Traditional British. When I was growing up there were bridesmaids and that was that. Once you were married you could no longer be a bridal attendant. Matron of Honour was either an American thing or something you did when you were desperate and had no unmarried friends or young female relatives (usually if you were the last in your social circle to get married, you would have a few friends' DDs to have as bridesmaids). Matron of Honour has only been a "thing" for about 25 years here - too recent for Royalty or close-to-Royalty.

1. On the topic of religion, I remember that Kate had to hurriedly get confirmed before she married William. I reckon if Carole had been trying really hard to make her a suitable bride for a future king in advance, membership of the C of E would have been quite high on the agenda.

1. There is a line I love in Gone With The Wind. Scarlett wonders why no one likes her and disapproves of her having made a success of her life. Rhett says something like "opportunists are always despised by other people, particularly those who had the same opportunities , but did not take them." I think a lot of people are secretly thinking "OMG, I had no idea William might marry someone who wasn't titled. If I'd known that, he might have married MY daughter!"

??? Kate and William seem like a great match, and he was so hot when they first got together (as was she)... I still think he is now. A happy royal marriage - something to celebrate rather than undermine.

I don't think you quite understand how religion works, savedbythebell.

Forget marriage, monarchies, and state education. They don't even let you into heaven if you're the wrong religion.

'RC children can apply to all schools.'
Apart from other faith schools with the same criteria!

There are none where I live. The only faith schools are RC.

future king of England I wish people would stop saying this. It's still the United Kingdom

Apologies derxa, that was me.

And actually, that's not the half of it - the monarch isn't just the queen/king of the United Kingdom; they're also monarch over countries 1000s and 1000s of miles away from them, with no day-to-day connection at all, as I know only too well.

Apologies derxa, that was me I'm not fuming about this 'non issue' I just wonder why you say it. And it comes up time and time again on here and in mainstream newspaper articles.

What a ridiculous and sexist post. Have a

Lots of people meet their future long term partners at University, I did but we were both members of staff. My boyfriend before that was someone I met while studying.

All Universities crunch a ton of data on the demograph of their students. One that I worked in had 35% of its intake via public schools, only 7% of children were privately educated at that time in the entire country. So the chances of a Tristan and a Mirandas eyes meeting across the study booths while they should have been studying and not indulging in primitive mating rituals was pretty high.

Each institution will have its own widening participation criteria. Who knows some of you may live in a targeted postcode If your child applies to a University that classes your postcode as a deprived area they may allow a slip on the expected grade for admission.

I am in such a postcode for at least one institution as my friend who is an admissions tutor delighted in telling me. My neighbour has an indoor swimming pool, sadly I don't. We live in a very nice road but in an area that is very deprived generally and they have lumped it all together as one, a fine science it ain't.

As a slight aside i didn't know that Donna Air was going out with the brother i thought she was still with the other super posh guy, Damien Aspinall.

Anyway i googled her and on her wiki page it says:

Air and Aspinall are no longer a couple.[6] Prior to their breakup the couple announced their intention to place their baby daughter in the care of a gorilla in a ritual Aspinall's older children had already taken part in.

Huh? A gorilla?

I'm not fuming about this 'non issue' I just wonder why you say it.

No idea!

As I say, she's also queen of my country, 1000s of miles away, so why limit it to England is boggling from my own perspective!

There also is no rule whatsoever about someone in the line of succession for the UK throne marrying a catholic.
But there used to be until recently, even now a catholic can't become a monarch.
D14 I agree with you about people wanting to get their kids into a good school, i.e. catholic schools. If they aren't of that faith why would they want that anyway. People seem to have a problem with this. Muslim schools don't allow anyone other than muslim, catholic schools often do.

As far as I know the only school that doesn't have anyone of any other faith is the Muslin school. This is because more Muslim children living in the area than there are places in the Muslim school, so the places are exhausted before they have got to the end of the list a applicants who are Muslim
Well isn't that nearly the same as with catholic schools then, except catholic schools do take so many.

I don't think you quite understand how religion works,
I don't think you can even read a post without misconstruing it.

Well isn't that nearly the same as with catholic schools then, except catholic schools do take so many.

It's quite similar certainly. I think one Catholic secondary near me doesn't take anyone except practicing Catholics. I'm not certain if I'm totally correct, but it an opus dei school. Sneaking suspicion that there are not a lot of non Catholics who would want that.

The Middletons aren't 'landed gentry'. They own a successful family business so they are 'new money' - quite the opposite. William met Kate at university so how did the mum have anything to do with that?

Who gives a shit anyway?

even now a catholic can't become a monarch

Which is the same as saying that a Non-catholic can't be pope given the monarch would also be head of the Church of England. That makes sense.

Discriminating against children on the basis of their religion (any religion) in state funded education however, is abhorrent and should have no place in modern society.

I find it abhorrent that in the 21st century such blatant discrimination against catholics still continues

Quite hilarious given you think blatant discrimination against other religions is fine in education. I can only assume that you are catholic.

Sneaking suspicion that there are not a lot of non Catholics who would want that.

There aren't many catholics who would.

souodragon Oh dear it's about time the royal family pulled their socks up then isn't it. But as head of state the queen should know better. Why do you keep bringing the pope into it, you seem to have a problem with him.

(Born again Christians believe you go to hell if you aren't saved and part of their religion,. C of E and Catholics do not have that view).

By the way at (Catholic) mass on Easter Sunday my son and I were across the aisle from Prince Michael of Kent and family, not tha anyone made a fuss.... The British Royal family are pretty welcoming of people of different faiths, one of the many nice things about Prince Charles our future king too..

Darlings, stop arguing. It doesn't matter whether you're a proddy or a catholic, the only school worth talking about is Eton.

If you've paid for your kids to go to an expensive school but don't think they should benefit from the networks they'll build while they're there, you're an idiot. You meet friends and partners in your social circles, whether that's at school, uni, work, hobby etc. If you've a bright kid who would succeed in any school, surely networking is one of the main reasons you'd choose independent?

And I second the posters asking why it's Mrs Middleton, not Mr, who's drawing your ire?

Why do you keep bringing the pope into it

Because just like Queen Elizabeth (and then Charles, and William), he's also the head of a religion.

Something you appear to be struggling to get your head around.

And I second the posters asking why it's Mrs Middleton, not Mr, who's drawing your ire?
Read Pride and Prejudice, the voodoo chants to ensnare a rich man have to be done by the mother because mommy is crazed and daddy is clueless