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Carole Middleton went out of her way to marry off her daughters to society millionaires & royalty or mere coincidence??

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user1473882712 · 18/04/2017 22:51

Aibu to think that Carole Middleton went out of her way to marry off Kate & Pippa to royalty & society millionaires?? Wills & James Matthews are hardly oil paintings, would the girls look at them twice if they worked in Tesco? Reading about Pippa's wedding tonight & it seems the sisters were both quite the social climbers in Marlborough which was encouraged by their mother? I have friends in similar circles & it seems they are very hard to break into if you are not "old money/landed gentry types" so I think Carole achieved what she set out to do! Roll on Pippa's wedding, looking forward to seeing the dress!

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FlyingElbows · 19/04/2017 13:54

How the fuck do you know if they have passion about anything? Or indeed anything at all about their thoughts and their lives? Have you been through their bins?! You sound nuts and way over-invested in people and a life you know nothing about.

ilikespaghetti · 19/04/2017 13:54

I agree nothercupoftea, james has a business bmoof I think it's called with sells personalised marshmallows, Pippa is a socialite & Kate never even began to have a career as she was waiting around for years for a proposal & never put her education to use....

Chavelita · 19/04/2017 13:55

A personalised marshmallow empire sounds like the kind of thing that might give rise to the giant Stay Puft marshmallow man that terrorises the city at the end of Ghostbusters.

Crapuccino · 19/04/2017 13:59

nothercupoftea: They have given their children the absolute best start in life.

And yet, here we all are talking about some of the wealthiest, most influential, best connected people in the world... Truly a horrendous outcome.

I completely disagree, none of their kids has a decent career or even a passion, the girls are just interested in getting married and shopping. Pippa at least is a bit sporty.

You divine this from your personal day-to-day knowledge of them, or just from the utter drivel that tabloids like to print?

danTDM · 19/04/2017 14:02

Pippa is a bit sporty

I consider myself 'a bit sporty', I consider Pippa to BE ALOT MORE SPORTY THAN ME

greedygorb · 19/04/2017 14:02

Ha ha. I went to Edinburgh University to meet "like minded individuals". They were Socialist Workers mind. Not sure that's what my mother had intended had she thought about it.
There were plenty of real poshos (Eton, Harrow, Stowe sort of end of the market) on my course and they only mixed with each other. Never the plebs. Unless they wanted something like tutorial notes. They all knew each other from school, lived in the same area of town, went to the same pubs. It was weird and a sort of extension of boarding school where they went to pair off with girls from the same sort of schools. I can't say their university careers broadened them socially.

Chavelita · 19/04/2017 14:04

Have you been through their bins?!

No, but I did once know a not very successful photographer who sometimes worked for one of the tabloids. His job at one point was to wait outside the Beckhams' front gate in case they came in or went out. For weeks at a time. He didn't even have a car, he sat hunched on his motorbike eating sandwiches.

He quit and became a professional poker player.

squoosh · 19/04/2017 14:05

I'd imagine being a stakeout paparazzo would be hazardous for one's waistline!

nothercupoftea · 19/04/2017 14:05

squoosh

FlyingElbows
How the fuck do you know if they have passion about anything

Did I miss Kate proudly showing some skills, talent hard work or representing something? Please tell us more! What is it!

Theycalledmethewildrose · 19/04/2017 14:11

I think there are alot of kids of very wealthy parents who don't have careers and many others who only have careers because of their parent's connections or going into the family business which they will one day inherit anyway. What do Andrew and Fergie's kids do exactly? I think they just live in an entirely different world, one we don't really understand as we are outside looking in.

I am not defending the Middletons and I firmly believe there is no place for the Royal family pantomime of superior blood and subjects in this day and age. I think though the very very inherited rich live in a different world and they have no desire to leave it to mix with ours.

Crapuccino · 19/04/2017 14:15

nothercupoftea: Did I miss Kate proudly showing some skills, talent hard work or representing something? Please tell us more! What is it!

So because you haven't seen evidence of any of these things (presumably in a tabloid) they don't exist?

I imagine there are plenty of things you haven't seen first-hand but that you take for granted quite without question.

UnbornMortificado · 19/04/2017 14:16

I was sent to private schools. I don't think my mam was planning on marrying me off. If she was, I met my DH in a psychiatric hospital so it may of backfired somewhat.

thriftynow · 19/04/2017 14:17

I don't really see how it could be engineered to that degree. (Maybe I'm just jealous as I went to St Andrews, albeit many years before Kate, and despite kissing a few frogs, never found my prince!)

nothercupoftea · 19/04/2017 14:19

Crapuccino

Actually, I have just read on their website that the Duchess of Cambridge is a keen photographer. Why would anyone want to hide anything from their biography? You like to think of yourself as the perfect role model, but you are ashamed of your achievements? Would that make any sense?

user1485342611 · 19/04/2017 14:20

Kate and William seem very happy and genuinely in love with each other. If their marriage had been cynically arranged and manipulated by Kate and her mother, I think it would have started fraying at the seams by now.

Some people just can't seem to believe that a member of the royal family could fall in love with and want to marry a girl whose family tree is completely devoid of Dukes and Earls and Lords. Therefore it must be a case of an innocent young man being deceived by a calculating young woman and her social climbing mother. And of course you will always get spiteful people insisting that they know for a fact that this is true.

ILookedintheWater · 19/04/2017 14:21

Well heeled hard working, intelligent, wealthy upper middle class couple produce three well heeled, intelligent, well educated children (if not hard working as in 'hard graft' are all definitely inventive in making money). All of the three go on to make well heeled, educated, intelligent matches. I'm not sure what it is you are objecting to OP: that like married like?

FlyingElbows · 19/04/2017 14:24

She doesn't have to show you anything. Neither does anyone else. Infact I'd suggest she should go to great lengths to avoid you!

Crapuccino · 19/04/2017 14:24

nothercupoftea: Crapuccino Actually, I have just read on their website that the Duchess of Cambridge is a keen photographer. Why would anyone want to hide anything from their biography? You like to think of yourself as the perfect role model, but you are ashamed of your achievements? Would that make any sense?

I would want to have some tiny shred of my life kept private, and not think that if I let on that I liked X, suddenly everyone was flooding into X trying to get into my personal life, sending me stuff about X trying to win me over, dissecting quite what it means that I enjoy X, having X debated in all the tabloids and breakfast shows and gossip rags, and on, and on, and on. Exactly the same reason I imagine they don't have "careers" as we would think of them - the sheer weight of manipulative, nasty, selfish people trying to get something out of it through that avenue of contact would put me off ever giving out absolutely any more information than I felt I had to.

savedbythebell · 19/04/2017 14:35

I really don't understand the hard time the OP is getting. Why is it so unreasonable to accept that Carole Middleton went out of her way to push her daughters to "do well for themselves" Its not an unusual or unreasonable thing to do anyway is it, especially amongst the rich set. It's also been well documented that she's quite "pushy". I think her husband is the sort who likes to take a back seat and just let her get on with it. Quite common in loads of families.

nothercupoftea · 19/04/2017 14:37

we have to see pics of her naked, smoking, drunk, semi naked and in various state of undress, (and I don't even buy the press) but a hobby or work, something to be proud of, a charity or good cause that a public figure would help, that would be too private and should be kept out of the public eye.

of course, it makes total sense.

She was 30 when she got married, plenty time to establish your own personality, have a career, have interests and be interested in charity or art or whatever.

You are not telling us that she kept everything private from the age of 18 because she planned on marrying the futur King of England all along, did you?

savedbythebell · 19/04/2017 14:41

Out of the two families, the Middletons and the Windsors, i have far more respect for the family who worked hard to get their money, i.e. the Middletons. In other words, it wasn't handed to them on a plate.

savedbythebell · 19/04/2017 14:41

Theycalledmethewildrose · 19/04/2017 14:46

Saved I agree wholeheartedly with you although my respect is more for their parents than the children.

Crapuccino · 19/04/2017 14:46

nothercupoftea: we have to see pics of her naked, smoking, drunk, semi naked and in various state of undress,

Who exactly is making you look at these pictures/stories? I mean, seriously, if someone is holding a gun to your head and shoving these images under your eyes, you should call the police. That's illegal.

And if you can't understand the difference between invasion of privacy by paparazzi and her volunteering private information about herself, then there is really no point reasoning with you.

WitchQueenofNewOrleans · 19/04/2017 15:30

There's so much hypocrisy on Mumsnet - people complaining that their children didn't get a place for the "nice" school they chose, and then moaning that the only reason the Middleton children went to a private school was to social climb and snag a rich spouse. Surely their parents just wanted the best education for them they could achieve, just as everyone else wishes for their children.

Everyone forgets that Chelsea didn't want the public disapproval and negative publicity that would have come her way if she had married Harry. I'm sure Carol, Kate, Pippa and James all hate the crap written about them too, that all comes from Kate marrying a royal.

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